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Here's one account: https://www.wsj.com/articles/one-trump-fans-descent-into-the-u-s-capitol-mob-11610311660 https://www.wsj.com/articles/one-trump-fans-descen

by croon 6y ago

Here's one account: https://www.wsj.com/articles/one-trump-fans-descent-into-the-u-s-capitol-mob-11610311660 https://www.wsj.com/articles/one-trump-fans-descent-into-the... "Hey, I need my digital soldiers to show up on January 6". "We fight like hell". "And if you don't fight like hell, you're not going to have a country anymore". I also remember something along the lines of it's going to be wild on January 6. Some of this was live, some on twitter. The point is that the effect of what you say is what people hear, and these people obviously hear him (and other nationalist thought leaders) speak of a battle for the soul of the country (based on lies). That is the natural effect of the kind of rhetoric he uses.

ttt0 6y ago
This is a compilation of the opposite side using way more extreme rhetoric that I managed to found within 15 seconds: https://youtu.be/hgPVkcLBjK8 https://youtu.be/hgPVkcLBjK8
- wonnage 6y ago
  I must've missed the part where anyone was driven to storm the Capitol as a result of this?
  - ttt0 6y ago
    You surely did miss all those months of rioting, violence in the streets, shootings and burning cities to the ground.
    - wonnage 6y ago
      You equate looting a Target with parading around the Capitol with confederate flags
      - ttt0 6y ago
        https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/29/chop-chaz-shooting-seattle-police-free-zone https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/29/chop-chaz-sh... I don't care about Target, they can deal with it. But it ruined lives, some of which were lost, of many normal day to day people that are just like you and me.
        wonnage 6y ago
        I find it suspicious that you're continually drawing parallels between BLM protests, which were largely peaceful, with an armed insurrection in an attempt to overthrow an election, so I don't think we're going to get any further with this discussion
        ttt0 6y ago
        Right, largely peaceful. https://jonathanturley.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/CNN-Headline-Fiery-2.jpg https://jonathanturley.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/CNN-He... I happen to be of controversial opinion that the lives of normal people are more important than those of lying politicians, who provoke the violence among the former for their own political gains and profit.
        wonnage 6y ago
        Kenosha got violent when Kyle Rittenhouse shot it up
        ttt0 6y ago
        The Kyle Rittenhouse incident was in August and the article I posted was from June, stop making things up.
  - masonic 6y ago
    Did you somehow miss the May 30-31 attacks on the White House? Quoting from the Secret Service press release: "Some demonstrators repeatedly attempted to knock over security barriers, and vandalized six Secret Service vehicles. Between Friday night and Sunday morning, more than 60 Secret Service Uniformed Division Officers and Special Agents sustained multiple injuries from projectiles such as bricks, rocks, bottles, fireworks and other items. Secret Service personnel were also directly physically assaulted as they were kicked, punched, and exposed to bodily fluids. A total of 11 injured employees were transported to a local hospital and treated for non-life threatening injuries.” And yet they managed to control the scene with no injuries to rioters and only one arrest.
caffeine 6y ago
That's behind a paywall for me - do they link actual sources of when and where Trump said those specific words?
- deleted 6y ago
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- ttt0 6y ago
  https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-told-supporters-stormed-capitol-hill/story?id=75110558 https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-told-supporters-storme... https://archive.md/PCCIc https://archive.md/PCCIc Here is his full speech. > I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard.
  - wonnage 6y ago
    He mentioned "peacefully" once in an hourlong rant, don't latch onto it
yspeak 6y ago
What ??? Fight like hell ? Lol. In what world would any reasonable person believe that was a call to physical violence? That phrase is time honored rallying words for a political battle.

by croon 6y ago

ttt0 6y ago

This is a compilation of the opposite side using way more extreme rhetoric that I managed to found within 15 seconds: https://youtu.be/hgPVkcLBjK8 https://youtu.be/hgPVkcLBjK8

wonnage 6y ago
I must've missed the part where anyone was driven to storm the Capitol as a result of this?
- ttt0 6y ago
  You surely did miss all those months of rioting, violence in the streets, shootings and burning cities to the ground.
  - wonnage 6y ago
    You equate looting a Target with parading around the Capitol with confederate flags
    - ttt0 6y ago
      https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/29/chop-chaz-shooting-seattle-police-free-zone https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/29/chop-chaz-sh... I don't care about Target, they can deal with it. But it ruined lives, some of which were lost, of many normal day to day people that are just like you and me.
      - wonnage 6y ago
        I find it suspicious that you're continually drawing parallels between BLM protests, which were largely peaceful, with an armed insurrection in an attempt to overthrow an election, so I don't think we're going to get any further with this discussion
        ttt0 6y ago
        Right, largely peaceful. https://jonathanturley.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/CNN-Headline-Fiery-2.jpg https://jonathanturley.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/CNN-He... I happen to be of controversial opinion that the lives of normal people are more important than those of lying politicians, who provoke the violence among the former for their own political gains and profit.
        wonnage 6y ago
        Kenosha got violent when Kyle Rittenhouse shot it up
        ttt0 6y ago
        The Kyle Rittenhouse incident was in August and the article I posted was from June, stop making things up.
- masonic 6y ago
  Did you somehow miss the May 30-31 attacks on the White House? Quoting from the Secret Service press release: "Some demonstrators repeatedly attempted to knock over security barriers, and vandalized six Secret Service vehicles. Between Friday night and Sunday morning, more than 60 Secret Service Uniformed Division Officers and Special Agents sustained multiple injuries from projectiles such as bricks, rocks, bottles, fireworks and other items. Secret Service personnel were also directly physically assaulted as they were kicked, punched, and exposed to bodily fluids. A total of 11 injured employees were transported to a local hospital and treated for non-life threatening injuries.” And yet they managed to control the scene with no injuries to rioters and only one arrest.

caffeine 6y ago

That's behind a paywall for me - do they link actual sources of when and where Trump said those specific words?

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ttt0 6y ago
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-told-supporters-stormed-capitol-hill/story?id=75110558 https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-told-supporters-storme... https://archive.md/PCCIc https://archive.md/PCCIc Here is his full speech. > I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard.
- wonnage 6y ago
  He mentioned "peacefully" once in an hourlong rant, don't latch onto it

yspeak 6y ago

What ??? Fight like hell ? Lol. In what world would any reasonable person believe that was a call to physical violence? That phrase is time honored rallying words for a political battle.