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That's far from all Trump said and did.

by TwoBit 6y ago

Erlich_Bachman 6y ago
So what did he say? Can you please produce a tweet where he incited violence? I only ask because no one including twitter seems to be able to do that? And I have looked... Maybe it's hard to do now that the account is banned... What is this "context" they speak of, where is the hate speech?
- ttt0 6y ago
  There was no hate speech and there were no calls for violence from Trump, quite the opposite. Twitter banned him because he might say something that might be interpreted as such, but of course they didn't care what the act of banning him itself might cause. Because that makes sense.
- croon 6y ago
  Here's one account: https://www.wsj.com/articles/one-trump-fans-descent-into-the-u-s-capitol-mob-11610311660 https://www.wsj.com/articles/one-trump-fans-descent-into-the... "Hey, I need my digital soldiers to show up on January 6". "We fight like hell". "And if you don't fight like hell, you're not going to have a country anymore". I also remember something along the lines of it's going to be wild on January 6. Some of this was live, some on twitter. The point is that the effect of what you say is what people hear, and these people obviously hear him (and other nationalist thought leaders) speak of a battle for the soul of the country (based on lies). That is the natural effect of the kind of rhetoric he uses.
  - ttt0 6y ago
    This is a compilation of the opposite side using way more extreme rhetoric that I managed to found within 15 seconds: https://youtu.be/hgPVkcLBjK8 https://youtu.be/hgPVkcLBjK8
    - wonnage 6y ago
      I must've missed the part where anyone was driven to storm the Capitol as a result of this?
      - ttt0 6y ago
        You surely did miss all those months of rioting, violence in the streets, shootings and burning cities to the ground.
        wonnage 6y ago
        You equate looting a Target with parading around the Capitol with confederate flags
        ttt0 6y ago
        https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/29/chop-chaz-shooting-seattle-police-free-zone https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/29/chop-chaz-sh... I don't care about Target, they can deal with it. But it ruined lives, some of which were lost, of many normal day to day people that are just like you and me.
        wonnage 6y ago
        I find it suspicious that you're continually drawing parallels between BLM protests, which were largely peaceful, with an armed insurrection in an attempt to overthrow an election, so I don't think we're going to get any further with this discussion
        ttt0 6y ago
        Right, largely peaceful. https://jonathanturley.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/CNN-Headline-Fiery-2.jpg https://jonathanturley.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/CNN-He... I happen to be of controversial opinion that the lives of normal people are more important than those of lying politicians, who provoke the violence among the former for their own political gains and profit.
  - caffeine 6y ago
    That's behind a paywall for me - do they link actual sources of when and where Trump said those specific words?
    - deleted 6y ago
      [deleted]
    - ttt0 6y ago
      https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-told-supporters-stormed-capitol-hill/story?id=75110558 https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-told-supporters-storme... https://archive.md/PCCIc https://archive.md/PCCIc Here is his full speech. > I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard.
      - wonnage 6y ago
        He mentioned "peacefully" once in an hourlong rant, don't latch onto it
  - yspeak 6y ago
    What ??? Fight like hell ? Lol. In what world would any reasonable person believe that was a call to physical violence? That phrase is time honored rallying words for a political battle.
- jamienicol 6y ago
  Everything he's tweeted since election day has been inciting violence. In fact since much earlier, since he was trying to delegitimise the election long before it happened. If a democratic election has genuinely been stolen then what other choice do the people have? Isn't that the whole point of the second amendment?

That's far from all Trump said and did.

by TwoBit 6y ago

That's far from all Trump said and did.

So what did he say? Can you please produce a tweet where he incited violence? I only ask because no one including twitter seems to be able to do that? And I have looked... Maybe it's hard to do now that the account is banned... What is this "context" they speak of, where is the hate speech?

ttt0 6y ago
There was no hate speech and there were no calls for violence from Trump, quite the opposite. Twitter banned him because he might say something that might be interpreted as such, but of course they didn't care what the act of banning him itself might cause. Because that makes sense.
croon 6y ago
Here's one account: https://www.wsj.com/articles/one-trump-fans-descent-into-the-u-s-capitol-mob-11610311660 https://www.wsj.com/articles/one-trump-fans-descent-into-the... "Hey, I need my digital soldiers to show up on January 6". "We fight like hell". "And if you don't fight like hell, you're not going to have a country anymore". I also remember something along the lines of it's going to be wild on January 6. Some of this was live, some on twitter. The point is that the effect of what you say is what people hear, and these people obviously hear him (and other nationalist thought leaders) speak of a battle for the soul of the country (based on lies). That is the natural effect of the kind of rhetoric he uses.
- ttt0 6y ago
  This is a compilation of the opposite side using way more extreme rhetoric that I managed to found within 15 seconds: https://youtu.be/hgPVkcLBjK8 https://youtu.be/hgPVkcLBjK8
  - wonnage 6y ago
    I must've missed the part where anyone was driven to storm the Capitol as a result of this?
    - ttt0 6y ago
      You surely did miss all those months of rioting, violence in the streets, shootings and burning cities to the ground.
      - wonnage 6y ago
        You equate looting a Target with parading around the Capitol with confederate flags
        ttt0 6y ago
        https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/29/chop-chaz-shooting-seattle-police-free-zone https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/29/chop-chaz-sh... I don't care about Target, they can deal with it. But it ruined lives, some of which were lost, of many normal day to day people that are just like you and me.
        wonnage 6y ago
        I find it suspicious that you're continually drawing parallels between BLM protests, which were largely peaceful, with an armed insurrection in an attempt to overthrow an election, so I don't think we're going to get any further with this discussion
        ttt0 6y ago
        Right, largely peaceful. https://jonathanturley.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/CNN-Headline-Fiery-2.jpg https://jonathanturley.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/CNN-He... I happen to be of controversial opinion that the lives of normal people are more important than those of lying politicians, who provoke the violence among the former for their own political gains and profit.
- caffeine 6y ago
  That's behind a paywall for me - do they link actual sources of when and where Trump said those specific words?
  - deleted 6y ago
    [deleted]
  - ttt0 6y ago
    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-told-supporters-stormed-capitol-hill/story?id=75110558 https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-told-supporters-storme... https://archive.md/PCCIc https://archive.md/PCCIc Here is his full speech. > I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard.
    - wonnage 6y ago
      He mentioned "peacefully" once in an hourlong rant, don't latch onto it
- yspeak 6y ago
  What ??? Fight like hell ? Lol. In what world would any reasonable person believe that was a call to physical violence? That phrase is time honored rallying words for a political battle.
jamienicol 6y ago
Everything he's tweeted since election day has been inciting violence. In fact since much earlier, since he was trying to delegitimise the election long before it happened. If a democratic election has genuinely been stolen then what other choice do the people have? Isn't that the whole point of the second amendment?