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> Unless something has dramatically changed in recent years (I doubt it) I can point out one thing that changed in the last 4 years, and it is our President an

> Unless something has dramatically changed in recent years (I doubt it) I can point out one thing that changed in the last 4 years, and it is our President and the atmosphere of vitriol and gaslighting he has created. Most of these companies were fine to tolerate this on their services when it was just speech, but now that speech has translated into actual violent action it's a different ballgame.

DisjointedHunt 6y ago
Mate, we had Madonna giving a speech about wanting to shoot the president. A play on broadway enacting a fantasy of Trump being stabbed, Julius Caesar style by masked men. Another hollywood personality posting an image of her enacting a mock beheading, complete with blood. Don't preach about "Threats" and "Violence". If you are in tech, you are intelligent enough to use logic and not emotion.
- DisjointedHunt 6y ago
  I love how, instead of substantive debate to refute those points above, you choose to downvote. Take a deep breath, buddy and stop being so emotionally unhinged by the sight of the "Good" side pushing policies that you would disagree with were it to come from any other entity
  - tomhoward 6y ago
    Aside from it being explicitly against the HN guidelines to complain about downvotes, it's not possible for a commenter to downvote replies to their own comments, so your accusation is false.
    - DisjointedHunt 6y ago
      Ah, i didn't know that. I apologize.
- andrewflnr 6y ago
  > but now that speech has translated into actual violent action it's a different ballgame. Logic recognizes that emotion has real power.
- plugger 6y ago
  Those examples can all be considered performance art and are protected. Erecting a gallow outside of the Capitol with a mob of angry rioters chanting about hanging Pence isn't really comparable. Those threats should be considered real, not performance art. It's not entertainment, it's real. Pull your head in mate.
  - copperwater69 6y ago
    You can google "antifa guillotine" or "blm guillotine" and see the same thing but against trump/bezos/unpopular governor
    - plugger 6y ago
      Did they then storm federal buildings where the persons they were chanting about hanging were in residence?
      - copperwater69 6y ago
        I seem to recall them throwing molotovs and firebombs at police and police stations
  - DisjointedHunt 6y ago
    It isn't good for the people considered to be the smartest in the world to be so rabidly against one political side. Here's documented evidence of violence of an appalling kind outside police precincts and city halls: https://twitter.com/mrandyngo/status/1289093614165831680?lang=en https://twitter.com/mrandyngo/status/1289093614165831680?lan... We must draw the line on behavior, not political affiliation. We otherwise risk irreparable harm to the fundamental freedoms we all enjoy.
    - plugger 6y ago
      > It isn't good for the people considered to be the smartest in the world to be so rabidly against one political side. Who said that? > Here's documented evidence of violence of an appalling kind outside police precincts and city halls Burning pigs heads, flags, and spraying monuments does not equal killing police in a riot. The pig head was most likely purchased from a butcher. How is that considered violence?
- SV_BubbleTime 6y ago
  > Another hollywood personality posting an image of her enacting a mock beheading, complete with blood. Didn’t believe this, searched, found instantly. Not only is this true, it is still on Twitter and has been for years. https://mobile.twitter.com/kathygriffin/status/1323893513226870786 https://mobile.twitter.com/kathygriffin/status/1323893513226...
  - DisjointedHunt 6y ago
    And not taken down. I defend her right to do that. We live in a beautiful country where one can used to be able to speak their minds without fear of intimidation. Seeing the current state of affairs saddens me.
    - SV_BubbleTime 6y ago
      > Seeing the current state of affairs saddens me. Me too. I didn't say twitter should take down that post. They shouldn't take down anything that isn't outright illegal. They are abusing their power and I hope it bites them in the ass hard.
- ascendantlogic 6y ago
  I don't seem to recall any of those things translating into a violent mob storming the capitol. Therein lies the difference, when the words finally incite action.
LoSboccacc 6y ago
Trump has been one of the most censored individual in recent history, with his messages reaching the masses being distorted, redacted, misrepresented and counterattacked by routinely baseless "anonymous sources close to the matter" from the media. Funny you pin the climate of vitriol exclusively on him Now I'm not saying he's been the perfect president, but the media rode the controversy all the way in for views, multiplying the nature of the issue. Wow, donvoted within a minute, and they say Reddit has bots.

DisjointedHunt 6y ago

Mate, we had Madonna giving a speech about wanting to shoot the president. A play on broadway enacting a fantasy of Trump being stabbed, Julius Caesar style by masked men. Another hollywood personality posting an image of her enacting a mock beheading, complete with blood. Don't preach about "Threats" and "Violence". If you are in tech, you are intelligent enough to use logic and not emotion.

DisjointedHunt 6y ago
I love how, instead of substantive debate to refute those points above, you choose to downvote. Take a deep breath, buddy and stop being so emotionally unhinged by the sight of the "Good" side pushing policies that you would disagree with were it to come from any other entity
- tomhoward 6y ago
  Aside from it being explicitly against the HN guidelines to complain about downvotes, it's not possible for a commenter to downvote replies to their own comments, so your accusation is false.
  - DisjointedHunt 6y ago
    Ah, i didn't know that. I apologize.
andrewflnr 6y ago
> but now that speech has translated into actual violent action it's a different ballgame. Logic recognizes that emotion has real power.
plugger 6y ago
Those examples can all be considered performance art and are protected. Erecting a gallow outside of the Capitol with a mob of angry rioters chanting about hanging Pence isn't really comparable. Those threats should be considered real, not performance art. It's not entertainment, it's real. Pull your head in mate.
- copperwater69 6y ago
  You can google "antifa guillotine" or "blm guillotine" and see the same thing but against trump/bezos/unpopular governor
  - plugger 6y ago
    Did they then storm federal buildings where the persons they were chanting about hanging were in residence?
    - copperwater69 6y ago
      I seem to recall them throwing molotovs and firebombs at police and police stations
- DisjointedHunt 6y ago
  It isn't good for the people considered to be the smartest in the world to be so rabidly against one political side. Here's documented evidence of violence of an appalling kind outside police precincts and city halls: https://twitter.com/mrandyngo/status/1289093614165831680?lang=en https://twitter.com/mrandyngo/status/1289093614165831680?lan... We must draw the line on behavior, not political affiliation. We otherwise risk irreparable harm to the fundamental freedoms we all enjoy.
  - plugger 6y ago
    > It isn't good for the people considered to be the smartest in the world to be so rabidly against one political side. Who said that? > Here's documented evidence of violence of an appalling kind outside police precincts and city halls Burning pigs heads, flags, and spraying monuments does not equal killing police in a riot. The pig head was most likely purchased from a butcher. How is that considered violence?
SV_BubbleTime 6y ago
> Another hollywood personality posting an image of her enacting a mock beheading, complete with blood. Didn’t believe this, searched, found instantly. Not only is this true, it is still on Twitter and has been for years. https://mobile.twitter.com/kathygriffin/status/1323893513226870786 https://mobile.twitter.com/kathygriffin/status/1323893513226...
- DisjointedHunt 6y ago
  And not taken down. I defend her right to do that. We live in a beautiful country where one can used to be able to speak their minds without fear of intimidation. Seeing the current state of affairs saddens me.
  - SV_BubbleTime 6y ago
    > Seeing the current state of affairs saddens me. Me too. I didn't say twitter should take down that post. They shouldn't take down anything that isn't outright illegal. They are abusing their power and I hope it bites them in the ass hard.
ascendantlogic 6y ago
I don't seem to recall any of those things translating into a violent mob storming the capitol. Therein lies the difference, when the words finally incite action.

LoSboccacc 6y ago

Trump has been one of the most censored individual in recent history, with his messages reaching the masses being distorted, redacted, misrepresented and counterattacked by routinely baseless "anonymous sources close to the matter" from the media. Funny you pin the climate of vitriol exclusively on him Now I'm not saying he's been the perfect president, but the media rode the controversy all the way in for views, multiplying the nature of the issue. Wow, donvoted within a minute, and they say Reddit has bots.