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And could you blame people for being paranoid when the CIA have used vaccine programs for various purposes in the past. Though they've apparently now stopped.

by Guthur 6y ago

scoopertrooper 6y ago
I assume you are referring to the time the CIA co-opted an immunisation programme as part of the hunt for Bin Laden. I don't think anyone has ever seriously suggested that the CIA has tampered with the vaccines. They merely co-opted the inoculation process in order to gain a biological sample.
- bijant 6y ago
  It doesn't matter whether they tampered with the vaccine. They destroyed trust in international vaccine Programs and the Health Workers that are administering the vaccines are facing the blowback.
  - scoopertrooper 6y ago
    I wasn’t defending them, it was a terrible idea and the cost immeasurably outweighed the benefit of killing an, admittedly, horrific human being.
- Guthur 6y ago
  I'm not suggesting they have, but it will make people in these rural communities rather paranoid or impressionable.
- erklik 6y ago
  > I don't think anyone has ever seriously suggested that the CIA has tampered with the vaccines. They merely co-opted the inoculation process in order to gain a biological sample. Its not about CIA tampering with the vaccines. The assumption was that the vaccination programs were politically neutral, a system meant to better humanity regardless of politics or military targets etc etc and in many places, that's what was said to convince people on the ground. Unfortunately, the use of a doctor to aid in information gathering for the CIA in a vaccination campaign means that that assumption is completely gone. The context is that the Pakistan and Afghanistan border region is the only place in the world where polio still spreads, while the rest of the world it has been eradicated. However, there is already suspicion due to lack of education and literacy that the vaccine is some sort of Western plot. So all this did was ensure that there continue to be attacks on polio and other vaccination workers in the area by 1. terrorist groups which was happening anyway, but 2. by uneducated paranoid people who think that the vaccine has been the "plot" of the western governments to do something bad to them. All in all, the CIAs use of a charity organisation and a vaccination drive as a front for its activities has basically led to hundreds being affected by polio, unable to live their lives in good health or even in death.

And could you blame people for being paranoid when the CIA have used vaccine programs for various purposes in the past. Though they've apparently now stopped.

by Guthur 6y ago

And could you blame people for being paranoid when the CIA have used vaccine programs for various purposes in the past. Though they've apparently now stopped.

scoopertrooper 6y ago

I assume you are referring to the time the CIA co-opted an immunisation programme as part of the hunt for Bin Laden. I don't think anyone has ever seriously suggested that the CIA has tampered with the vaccines. They merely co-opted the inoculation process in order to gain a biological sample.

bijant 6y ago
It doesn't matter whether they tampered with the vaccine. They destroyed trust in international vaccine Programs and the Health Workers that are administering the vaccines are facing the blowback.
- scoopertrooper 6y ago
  I wasn’t defending them, it was a terrible idea and the cost immeasurably outweighed the benefit of killing an, admittedly, horrific human being.
Guthur 6y ago
I'm not suggesting they have, but it will make people in these rural communities rather paranoid or impressionable.
erklik 6y ago
> I don't think anyone has ever seriously suggested that the CIA has tampered with the vaccines. They merely co-opted the inoculation process in order to gain a biological sample. Its not about CIA tampering with the vaccines. The assumption was that the vaccination programs were politically neutral, a system meant to better humanity regardless of politics or military targets etc etc and in many places, that's what was said to convince people on the ground. Unfortunately, the use of a doctor to aid in information gathering for the CIA in a vaccination campaign means that that assumption is completely gone. The context is that the Pakistan and Afghanistan border region is the only place in the world where polio still spreads, while the rest of the world it has been eradicated. However, there is already suspicion due to lack of education and literacy that the vaccine is some sort of Western plot. So all this did was ensure that there continue to be attacks on polio and other vaccination workers in the area by 1. terrorist groups which was happening anyway, but 2. by uneducated paranoid people who think that the vaccine has been the "plot" of the western governments to do something bad to them. All in all, the CIAs use of a charity organisation and a vaccination drive as a front for its activities has basically led to hundreds being affected by polio, unable to live their lives in good health or even in death.