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We might have a different definition of violence; I find it to be a spectrum with multiple levels. I consider cancel culture a form of violence. There was a tw

We might have a different definition of violence; I find it to be a spectrum with multiple levels. I consider cancel culture a form of violence. There was a tweet from AOC suggesting making a list of all those who worked under Trump; I presume she wants to cancel them. This was dangerous since she was a Congresswoman. There was also a tweet where she voiced support for the riots this summer. To be fair to AOC, she is not the worst I have seen. Also, to be fair to Twitter, I bet there is a ton of right side violent speech I just personally haven't seen much of it. I have personally witnessed violent speech on the postmodern side on Twitter because I'm more tuned into people calling for censorship. It's a topic I'm following. I think the main reason I didn't see it on Parler was because the comment section is hard to read.

jrochkind1 6y ago
Can you provide the specific tweets so we know what you're talking about? But yes, if you consider "making a list" to be violence, I guess we do have different understandings. I hope you apply this understanding in all directions, to your political compatriots too, telling them they are being violent (presumably in an undesirable way) when they do things like make lists? Or wait, you just presume that she was going to do something? Yeah, I"m curious to see the tweet. It sounds like a lot of presuming... But cause if AOC isn't the worst you have seen... why did you use her as an example? Like, everyone is always using AOC as an example, when to me she's like one of the smartest and kindest politicians I know, from her utterances. Regardless of what you think of "cancel culture", she's not even a very good example of it, she's not the paragon of cancel culture, that's not really what she does at all. I think it's very unfair to AOC. And yet, everyone wants to use her as an example. (Including by 'presuming' extra things she hasn't actually done!) Why? If you recognize she's not actually a great example of what bothers you, why did you mention her name as the only specific name example you mentioned? This is one of the things AOC said which impressed me which I think is literally the opposite of "cancel culture": https://www.vice.com/en/article/ne8wjg/watch-aoc-give-a-direct-message-to-white-supremacists-we-will-love-you-back https://www.vice.com/en/article/ne8wjg/watch-aoc-give-a-dire...
- humannature1 6y ago
  It's easy to find the AOC list tweet our riot tweet if you google it; I'm currently taking a break from twitter. AOC was the first that came to mind. Regarding her list, I believe at the time twitter users were citing a law saying what she was recommending was getting close to being illegal. They called it citizen intimidation, yet with more formal wording. AOC wasn't the best example. The best examples were people saying it was good Rand Paul had been injured by his neighbor and the professor saying Mike Adams suicide was good. I hadn't seen the AOC tweet you linked. It does appear uniting at first, yet when I looked closer I saw a familiar persuasion trick. It seems like she's applying the argument that anyone who has certain beliefs is a white supremist. One of the most divisive things these days is labeling all people with conservative beliefs racist. It seems racist has become a catch-all term for anything postmodernists disagree with. Calling someone racist means you don't listen to them and you can cause them to lose their reputation even if the claims don't have merit. The parody account Titania McGrath helps outline how the definition of racism has changed.
  - mthoms 6y ago
    You made a very specific, very inflammatory claim. >I have personally witnessed violent statements on Twitter over several years usually coming from leftists such as AOC. Kindly provide the evidence or admit your claim was mistaken.
    - humannature1 6y ago
      A clearer more accurate statement than the parent statement would be: I have personally witnessed violent statements on Twitter over several years. Postmodern leaders, such as AOC, have encouraged low levels of violence using the Twitter platform. This definition of violence is meant to describe violence as a spectrum which includes the destruction of property and destruction of job prospects of conservative individuals. As far as I know, AOC has NOT tweeted the worst levels of violence. I apologize for using AOC as the primary example. If I could edit the parent statement I would because she is NOT the best example. It is also possible there is a less inflammatory word to describe cancel culture and property destruction than violence; I don't want to mix two things up. The AOC tweets I was referring are below: - Encouraging riots. AOC, protests/riots threat: https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1334184644707758080 https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1334184644707758080 "The thing that critics of activists don’t get is that they tried playing the “polite language” policy game and all it did was make them easier to ignore." - Encouraging cancel culture. AOC list tweet, is now deleted but was widespread. https://twitter.com/ScottAdamsSays/status/1324817917456736257 https://twitter.com/ScottAdamsSays/status/132481791745673625... Other tweets I've seen: Mike Adams bashing soon after suicide before burial: https://twitter.com/ProfeRandolph/status/1286440502271901707 https://twitter.com/ProfeRandolph/status/1286440502271901707 Most Rand Paul violent tweets were deleted. Most were anonymous. This is where Kelly Paul states her memories of the tweets. https://twitter.com/KelleyAshbyPaul/status/1348346372043452417 https://twitter.com/KelleyAshbyPaul/status/13483463720434524... Hang Mike Pence as recent example. Most of these were deleted. https://twitter.com/TeaPainUSA/status/1348828960679997440 https://twitter.com/TeaPainUSA/status/1348828960679997440
arbitrary_name 6y ago
>I consider cancel culture a form of violence OK snowflake
- humannature1 6y ago
  For the benefit of others, let me explain. It's about scale. A disagreement that should stay between a small group of people and often could be solved by mediation, a conversation, or community service ends up being a national event. An individual who has a specialized skillset loses the ability to be economically viable. They might not be able to get another job in the field. Often, they are being used as a scapegoat. If you make it impossible for a person to get a job in his or her field because you disagree with what they say, that's a form of violence. If you're going to economically eliminate someone in a scaled way, make sure it's worth it; it should be a last resort. This is really about scale.

jrochkind1 6y ago

Can you provide the specific tweets so we know what you're talking about? But yes, if you consider "making a list" to be violence, I guess we do have different understandings. I hope you apply this understanding in all directions, to your political compatriots too, telling them they are being violent (presumably in an undesirable way) when they do things like make lists? Or wait, you just presume that she was going to do something? Yeah, I"m curious to see the tweet. It sounds like a lot of presuming... But cause if AOC isn't the worst you have seen... why did you use her as an example? Like, everyone is always using AOC as an example, when to me she's like one of the smartest and kindest politicians I know, from her utterances. Regardless of what you think of "cancel culture", she's not even a very good example of it, she's not the paragon of cancel culture, that's not really what she does at all. I think it's very unfair to AOC. And yet, everyone wants to use her as an example. (Including by 'presuming' extra things she hasn't actually done!) Why? If you recognize she's not actually a great example of what bothers you, why did you mention her name as the only specific name example you mentioned? This is one of the things AOC said which impressed me which I think is literally the opposite of "cancel culture": https://www.vice.com/en/article/ne8wjg/watch-aoc-give-a-direct-message-to-white-supremacists-we-will-love-you-back https://www.vice.com/en/article/ne8wjg/watch-aoc-give-a-dire...

humannature1 6y ago
It's easy to find the AOC list tweet our riot tweet if you google it; I'm currently taking a break from twitter. AOC was the first that came to mind. Regarding her list, I believe at the time twitter users were citing a law saying what she was recommending was getting close to being illegal. They called it citizen intimidation, yet with more formal wording. AOC wasn't the best example. The best examples were people saying it was good Rand Paul had been injured by his neighbor and the professor saying Mike Adams suicide was good. I hadn't seen the AOC tweet you linked. It does appear uniting at first, yet when I looked closer I saw a familiar persuasion trick. It seems like she's applying the argument that anyone who has certain beliefs is a white supremist. One of the most divisive things these days is labeling all people with conservative beliefs racist. It seems racist has become a catch-all term for anything postmodernists disagree with. Calling someone racist means you don't listen to them and you can cause them to lose their reputation even if the claims don't have merit. The parody account Titania McGrath helps outline how the definition of racism has changed.
- mthoms 6y ago
  You made a very specific, very inflammatory claim. >I have personally witnessed violent statements on Twitter over several years usually coming from leftists such as AOC. Kindly provide the evidence or admit your claim was mistaken.
  - humannature1 6y ago
    A clearer more accurate statement than the parent statement would be: I have personally witnessed violent statements on Twitter over several years. Postmodern leaders, such as AOC, have encouraged low levels of violence using the Twitter platform. This definition of violence is meant to describe violence as a spectrum which includes the destruction of property and destruction of job prospects of conservative individuals. As far as I know, AOC has NOT tweeted the worst levels of violence. I apologize for using AOC as the primary example. If I could edit the parent statement I would because she is NOT the best example. It is also possible there is a less inflammatory word to describe cancel culture and property destruction than violence; I don't want to mix two things up. The AOC tweets I was referring are below: - Encouraging riots. AOC, protests/riots threat: https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1334184644707758080 https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1334184644707758080 "The thing that critics of activists don’t get is that they tried playing the “polite language” policy game and all it did was make them easier to ignore." - Encouraging cancel culture. AOC list tweet, is now deleted but was widespread. https://twitter.com/ScottAdamsSays/status/1324817917456736257 https://twitter.com/ScottAdamsSays/status/132481791745673625... Other tweets I've seen: Mike Adams bashing soon after suicide before burial: https://twitter.com/ProfeRandolph/status/1286440502271901707 https://twitter.com/ProfeRandolph/status/1286440502271901707 Most Rand Paul violent tweets were deleted. Most were anonymous. This is where Kelly Paul states her memories of the tweets. https://twitter.com/KelleyAshbyPaul/status/1348346372043452417 https://twitter.com/KelleyAshbyPaul/status/13483463720434524... Hang Mike Pence as recent example. Most of these were deleted. https://twitter.com/TeaPainUSA/status/1348828960679997440 https://twitter.com/TeaPainUSA/status/1348828960679997440

arbitrary_name 6y ago

>I consider cancel culture a form of violence OK snowflake

humannature1 6y ago
For the benefit of others, let me explain. It's about scale. A disagreement that should stay between a small group of people and often could be solved by mediation, a conversation, or community service ends up being a national event. An individual who has a specialized skillset loses the ability to be economically viable. They might not be able to get another job in the field. Often, they are being used as a scapegoat. If you make it impossible for a person to get a job in his or her field because you disagree with what they say, that's a form of violence. If you're going to economically eliminate someone in a scaled way, make sure it's worth it; it should be a last resort. This is really about scale.