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Note how you are ascribing Mathematical meaning to a snail shell. You are somehow insisting that the mathematical expression (1 + sqrt(5))/2 is in some ways si

by ukj 6y ago

Note how you are ascribing Mathematical meaning to a snail shell. You are somehow insisting that the mathematical expression (1 + sqrt(5))/2 is in some ways similar to a snail shell. Don’t you find it even a little strange that just about anyone not schooled in algebra/arithmetic would doubt your claim?

eyelidlessness 6y ago
I’m confused. I’m not saying there’s “meaning” to it of any kind, only that the ratio is present and observable. I’m not “insisting” anything. Maybe you’re accustomed to every thought being a conflict, but if I wasn’t clear already I was expressing wonder around a fairly common phenomenon whose commonality isn’t well known or understood.
- ukj 6y ago
  It's not at all a conflict. I am simply pointing out that where both of us observe/experience the pattern, your mind ascribes to it significance by relating it to the Mathematical construct called "Golden ratio". My mind doesn't make that relation. I call that pattern (and other patterns like it) a "snail shell pattern". We index the experience differently. From your perspective a Mathematical expression describes the pattern. From my perspective an English expression does.
  - eyelidlessness 6y ago
    It sounds like we understand it the same way, with different words.
    - ukj 6y ago
      You could say that. But then it begs the question "What does it mean to understand?" Either way, we index the pattern in our respective minds. You index (understand?) it as a "Golden ratio". I index (understand?) it as a "snail shell". Your understanding it Mathematically, I do not. Which is why I said that you assign Mathematical meaning to the pattern. This is essentially what Linguistic relativism is all about: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linguistic_relativity https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linguistic_relativity
      - eyelidlessness 6y ago
        > You index (understand?) it as a "Golden ratio". > I index (understand?) it as a "snail shell". > Your understanding it Mathematically, I do not. Which is why I said that you assign Mathematical meaning to the pattern. Huh? I spoke of snail shells. If your characterization were accurate we probably wouldn’t even know we’re talking about the same thing.
        ukj 6y ago
        These were your words: "a snail’s shell expresses it (the golden ratio)" You connected the dots between the two...

by ukj 6y ago

eyelidlessness 6y ago

I’m confused. I’m not saying there’s “meaning” to it of any kind, only that the ratio is present and observable. I’m not “insisting” anything. Maybe you’re accustomed to every thought being a conflict, but if I wasn’t clear already I was expressing wonder around a fairly common phenomenon whose commonality isn’t well known or understood.

ukj 6y ago
It's not at all a conflict. I am simply pointing out that where both of us observe/experience the pattern, your mind ascribes to it significance by relating it to the Mathematical construct called "Golden ratio". My mind doesn't make that relation. I call that pattern (and other patterns like it) a "snail shell pattern". We index the experience differently. From your perspective a Mathematical expression describes the pattern. From my perspective an English expression does.
- eyelidlessness 6y ago
  It sounds like we understand it the same way, with different words.
  - ukj 6y ago
    You could say that. But then it begs the question "What does it mean to understand?" Either way, we index the pattern in our respective minds. You index (understand?) it as a "Golden ratio". I index (understand?) it as a "snail shell". Your understanding it Mathematically, I do not. Which is why I said that you assign Mathematical meaning to the pattern. This is essentially what Linguistic relativism is all about: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linguistic_relativity https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linguistic_relativity
    - eyelidlessness 6y ago
      > You index (understand?) it as a "Golden ratio". > I index (understand?) it as a "snail shell". > Your understanding it Mathematically, I do not. Which is why I said that you assign Mathematical meaning to the pattern. Huh? I spoke of snail shells. If your characterization were accurate we probably wouldn’t even know we’re talking about the same thing.
      - ukj 6y ago
        These were your words: "a snail’s shell expresses it (the golden ratio)" You connected the dots between the two...