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Errrhm, all the "protected classes" tend to come from the left wing ideologies. Sure, the right isn't what it used to be with Jeffersonian liberalism and free s

Errrhm, all the "protected classes" tend to come from the left wing ideologies. Sure, the right isn't what it used to be with Jeffersonian liberalism and free speech, but that quote could easily be interpreted to be about modern left by simply replacing "Conservatism" with "Liberalism'.

crooked-v 6y ago
'The right' as a term literally comes from supporters of the nobility and the king, the ultimate representation of someone who is protected but not bound by the law.
- rayiner 6y ago
  They supported the French king against violent revolutionaries who executed him, imposed arbitrary cultural changes such as abandoning the calendar, and undertook a series of mass executions and purges until they were finally brought under control by Napoleon.
- DenisM 6y ago
  The term “right” comes from the delegates seating in the French National Assembly during the revolution. Both the Left (Jacobins) and the Right (Girondists) voted together to behead the King and dispense with all noble priveledges and titles.
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  - 411111111111111 6y ago
    These people wanted to return to an aristocracy according to wikipedias history section of right wing, so his point stands I think. But I'm not knowledgeable about history, so do elaborate if you know details please.
    - DenisM 6y ago
      Girondists? Aristocracy?! No way. There were many royalists in France, but none in the National Assembly. The Girondists were considered right only because Jacobins were super left and ended up killing thousands of priests, what few nobles they could still find, tens of thousands of suspected royalists in mass executions, and eventually the Girondists themselves too for being too soft. The Girondists went to the guillotine singing The Marseilles! Certainly not the royalists that lot. I recommend the “Revolutions” podcast - about 30 hours worth of the French Revolution is better than any movie. Also the history of revolutions is very educational in this day and age. I for one hope we will never experience anything like it.
chrisoverzero 6y ago
> […] all the "protected classes" tend to come from the left wing ideologies. You don’t know what the term “protected class” means, and you should probably stop using it. “Woman” isn’t a protected class, “sex” is. “Christian” isn’t a protected class, “religion” is.
- dragonwriter 6y ago
  To be fair, not all protected classes are symmetric: Veteran status and age over 40 are notable examples; you are absolutely permitted to discriminate against non-veterans and against people under 40.
Gabriel_Martin 6y ago
That doesn't seem to be what the quote is focused on though, where most efforts around "protected classes" come from. I think it does a rather good job highlighting it's point about conservative central hyperfocus on the supremacy of an in-group. Seems to be a pretty strong candidate for an underlying proposition at least, given some of the imagery we've seen over the past days.
the-smug-one 6y ago
What left wing ideologies would that be?
- chordalkeyboard 6y ago
  the Frankfurt school and critical theorists probably.

crooked-v 6y ago

'The right' as a term literally comes from supporters of the nobility and the king, the ultimate representation of someone who is protected but not bound by the law.

rayiner 6y ago
They supported the French king against violent revolutionaries who executed him, imposed arbitrary cultural changes such as abandoning the calendar, and undertook a series of mass executions and purges until they were finally brought under control by Napoleon.
DenisM 6y ago
The term “right” comes from the delegates seating in the French National Assembly during the revolution. Both the Left (Jacobins) and the Right (Girondists) voted together to behead the King and dispense with all noble priveledges and titles.
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- 411111111111111 6y ago
  These people wanted to return to an aristocracy according to wikipedias history section of right wing, so his point stands I think. But I'm not knowledgeable about history, so do elaborate if you know details please.
  - DenisM 6y ago
    Girondists? Aristocracy?! No way. There were many royalists in France, but none in the National Assembly. The Girondists were considered right only because Jacobins were super left and ended up killing thousands of priests, what few nobles they could still find, tens of thousands of suspected royalists in mass executions, and eventually the Girondists themselves too for being too soft. The Girondists went to the guillotine singing The Marseilles! Certainly not the royalists that lot. I recommend the “Revolutions” podcast - about 30 hours worth of the French Revolution is better than any movie. Also the history of revolutions is very educational in this day and age. I for one hope we will never experience anything like it.

chrisoverzero 6y ago

> […] all the "protected classes" tend to come from the left wing ideologies. You don’t know what the term “protected class” means, and you should probably stop using it. “Woman” isn’t a protected class, “sex” is. “Christian” isn’t a protected class, “religion” is.

dragonwriter 6y ago
To be fair, not all protected classes are symmetric: Veteran status and age over 40 are notable examples; you are absolutely permitted to discriminate against non-veterans and against people under 40.

Gabriel_Martin 6y ago

That doesn't seem to be what the quote is focused on though, where most efforts around "protected classes" come from. I think it does a rather good job highlighting it's point about conservative central hyperfocus on the supremacy of an in-group. Seems to be a pretty strong candidate for an underlying proposition at least, given some of the imagery we've seen over the past days.

the-smug-one 6y ago

What left wing ideologies would that be?

chordalkeyboard 6y ago
the Frankfurt school and critical theorists probably.