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deno 6y ago
This happens with many US-exclusive websites since GDPR[1]. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17154971 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17154971
- sgtfrankieboy 6y ago
  Which is pretty dumb because the law doesn't apply to them as they are US-exclusive.
  - MattGaiser 6y ago
    Do they not claim jurisdiction though? I understand a site not wanting to get involved and just deciding to block off the EU.
  - jtbayly 6y ago
    Lol. I mean, you’re right. The EU can’t make laws that apply to the entire universe like they wish they could and claim they do, but that was the whole point of GDPR. They claim that any company that has dealings with an EU citizen has to follow their laws. Of course they can’t do that. They could have passed a law forbidding their citizens from interacting with businesses that didn’t follow certain rules, since they have the ability to make rules for their citizens, but for some odd reason they decided not to.
    - dragonwriter 6y ago
      > The EU can’t make laws that apply to the entire universe like they wish they could and claim they do Yes, they can. So can (and does!) the US. Either may have trouble enforcing them in some cases, but that’s true even of laws within their own territorial domain.
      - jtbayly 6y ago
        They can’t “apply” to me if they don’t apply to me. The whole point of sovereignty is to say where laws apply. Politics and war are the negotiation of those questions.
        dragonwriter 6y ago
        > The whole point of sovereignty is to say where laws apply. No, the whole point of sovereignty is that if you have it, you are ultimately the arbiter of your laws, including the bounds of where they apply. You may have practical problems getting your hands on people to apply them, of course, but that’s a separate issue.
        jtbayly 6y ago
        Under your definition there is no such thing as sovereignty. Each individual decides for himself.
        dragonwriter 6y ago
        No, lots of entities (including many at levels far above individuals) have superior authorities that decide how wide the subordinate entities writ runs.
        jtbayly 6y ago
        No. All they can do is punish me for disobeying.
  - Izkata 6y ago
    It does actually, as the important part is if the people accessing the site are in the EU: https://gdpr.eu/companies-outside-of-europe/ https://gdpr.eu/companies-outside-of-europe/ > If your organization uses web tools that allow you to track cookies or the IP addresses of people who visit your website from EU countries, then you fall under the scope of the GDPR. Practically speaking, it’s unclear how strictly this provision will be interpreted or how brazenly it will be enforced. Suppose you run a golf course in Manitoba focused exclusively on your local area, but sometimes people in France stumble across your site. Would you find yourself in the crosshairs of European regulators? It’s not likely. But technically you could be held accountable for tracking these data.
    - marcrosoft 6y ago
      This is ridiculous. The EU doesn’t have jurisdiction of the world.
      - deleted 6y ago
        [deleted]
      - colejohnson66 6y ago
        Well, neither does the US. Doesn’t stop either from trying.
      - effie 6y ago
        But it has influence. Since the warning about GDPR is made only in cases which impact data of EU citizens, the EU position seems reasonable.
    - mech422 6y ago
      More importantly, what would the regulators do - your not in their country, have no company in their jurisdiction to fine, and you don't really care if they fire-wall you out of country (you're us only, right?), your dns registration and infrastructure are all presumably US based.. So, I've always wondered what they would do? yell at you harshly ?
samizdis 6y ago
The article is accessible from the EU via MSN syndication: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/citing-censorship-concerns-north-idaho-internet-provider-blocks-facebook-twitter/ar-BB1cEPdE https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/citing-censorship-...

deno 6y ago

This happens with many US-exclusive websites since GDPR[1]. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17154971 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17154971

sgtfrankieboy 6y ago
Which is pretty dumb because the law doesn't apply to them as they are US-exclusive.
- MattGaiser 6y ago
  Do they not claim jurisdiction though? I understand a site not wanting to get involved and just deciding to block off the EU.
- jtbayly 6y ago
  Lol. I mean, you’re right. The EU can’t make laws that apply to the entire universe like they wish they could and claim they do, but that was the whole point of GDPR. They claim that any company that has dealings with an EU citizen has to follow their laws. Of course they can’t do that. They could have passed a law forbidding their citizens from interacting with businesses that didn’t follow certain rules, since they have the ability to make rules for their citizens, but for some odd reason they decided not to.
  - dragonwriter 6y ago
    > The EU can’t make laws that apply to the entire universe like they wish they could and claim they do Yes, they can. So can (and does!) the US. Either may have trouble enforcing them in some cases, but that’s true even of laws within their own territorial domain.
    - jtbayly 6y ago
      They can’t “apply” to me if they don’t apply to me. The whole point of sovereignty is to say where laws apply. Politics and war are the negotiation of those questions.
      - dragonwriter 6y ago
        > The whole point of sovereignty is to say where laws apply. No, the whole point of sovereignty is that if you have it, you are ultimately the arbiter of your laws, including the bounds of where they apply. You may have practical problems getting your hands on people to apply them, of course, but that’s a separate issue.
        jtbayly 6y ago
        Under your definition there is no such thing as sovereignty. Each individual decides for himself.
        dragonwriter 6y ago
        No, lots of entities (including many at levels far above individuals) have superior authorities that decide how wide the subordinate entities writ runs.
        jtbayly 6y ago
        No. All they can do is punish me for disobeying.
- Izkata 6y ago
  It does actually, as the important part is if the people accessing the site are in the EU: https://gdpr.eu/companies-outside-of-europe/ https://gdpr.eu/companies-outside-of-europe/ > If your organization uses web tools that allow you to track cookies or the IP addresses of people who visit your website from EU countries, then you fall under the scope of the GDPR. Practically speaking, it’s unclear how strictly this provision will be interpreted or how brazenly it will be enforced. Suppose you run a golf course in Manitoba focused exclusively on your local area, but sometimes people in France stumble across your site. Would you find yourself in the crosshairs of European regulators? It’s not likely. But technically you could be held accountable for tracking these data.
  - marcrosoft 6y ago
    This is ridiculous. The EU doesn’t have jurisdiction of the world.
    - deleted 6y ago
      [deleted]
    - colejohnson66 6y ago
      Well, neither does the US. Doesn’t stop either from trying.
    - effie 6y ago
      But it has influence. Since the warning about GDPR is made only in cases which impact data of EU citizens, the EU position seems reasonable.
  - mech422 6y ago
    More importantly, what would the regulators do - your not in their country, have no company in their jurisdiction to fine, and you don't really care if they fire-wall you out of country (you're us only, right?), your dns registration and infrastructure are all presumably US based.. So, I've always wondered what they would do? yell at you harshly ?

samizdis 6y ago

The article is accessible from the EU via MSN syndication: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/citing-censorship-concerns-north-idaho-internet-provider-blocks-facebook-twitter/ar-BB1cEPdE https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/citing-censorship-...