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Fully agree. I think the best outcome of this situation would be Biden pardoning all involved and working to bring the country together. I supremely do not want

Fully agree. I think the best outcome of this situation would be Biden pardoning all involved and working to bring the country together. I supremely do not want this to turn into some sort of football game whereby the dems now have control of the ball and need to go on the offensive instead of just throwing the ball down and quitting the game. (to be clear, I'm a lifelong democrat, I just don't want 4 more years of the same infighting)

Tokkemon 6y ago
That's not very smart.
- meetups323 6y ago
  Why not?
thepasswordis 6y ago
Can you imagine what an incredible thing it would be if Trump's final act was a speech that basically said: "Everybody charged with a crime related to rioting during the BLM protests over the summer is pardoned. Additionally, everybody charged with a crime during the Capitol riots is also pardoned. It is a time for our nation to heal, and I hope that this can be a small step in that direction".
- ketamine__ 6y ago
  It's more likely Trump will only pardon the domestic terrorists. He likes to sow division, remember?
timmytokyo 6y ago
If you pardon the insurrectionists, you guarantee another insurrection. Actions require consequences. You can't have unity and healing without accountability first.
- meetups323 6y ago
  > Actions require consequences. So what happens when dems launch a counteraction? Well that's an action, it has "action" right in the name. And actions require consequences, so looks like reps are going to have to launch their own counteraction. And so on and so on for all eternity. That's the ball game. What I'm saying is we need someone in power to drop the ball and leave the stadium. Someone to say "wrongs have been committed but fuck it -- its more important to the country for everyone to get back together than it is to strike back in revenge". And suddenly the reps have no more action enacted against them. And thus no more consequence is required to be enacted from their side. The idea that we need a spectacle of constant political brawl to keep the public entertained doesn't need to be true. Thats my endgame. Whats yours?
  - jachee 6y ago
    If the Left were to stop playing the game, the Right would destroy the entire idea of games. Marginalized people don't have a choice. They don't get to quit and go home. The fact that you see "quit while you're ahead" as an option means your privilege is preventing you from seeing how far behind the majority of the people are. The paradox of tolerance is that tolerating the intolerant will lead to the destruction of tolerance by the intolerant. So no, let's not let the insurrectionists get off scot free. Let's crush their intolerance and "supremacy" out of existence. That's my endgame.
flavius29663 6y ago
in addition, pardon anyone who participated in riots throughout 2020, unless they killed or maimed someone directly.

Tokkemon 6y ago

That's not very smart.

meetups323 6y ago
Why not?

thepasswordis 6y ago

Can you imagine what an incredible thing it would be if Trump's final act was a speech that basically said: "Everybody charged with a crime related to rioting during the BLM protests over the summer is pardoned. Additionally, everybody charged with a crime during the Capitol riots is also pardoned. It is a time for our nation to heal, and I hope that this can be a small step in that direction".

ketamine__ 6y ago
It's more likely Trump will only pardon the domestic terrorists. He likes to sow division, remember?

timmytokyo 6y ago

If you pardon the insurrectionists, you guarantee another insurrection. Actions require consequences. You can't have unity and healing without accountability first.

meetups323 6y ago
> Actions require consequences. So what happens when dems launch a counteraction? Well that's an action, it has "action" right in the name. And actions require consequences, so looks like reps are going to have to launch their own counteraction. And so on and so on for all eternity. That's the ball game. What I'm saying is we need someone in power to drop the ball and leave the stadium. Someone to say "wrongs have been committed but fuck it -- its more important to the country for everyone to get back together than it is to strike back in revenge". And suddenly the reps have no more action enacted against them. And thus no more consequence is required to be enacted from their side. The idea that we need a spectacle of constant political brawl to keep the public entertained doesn't need to be true. Thats my endgame. Whats yours?
- jachee 6y ago
  If the Left were to stop playing the game, the Right would destroy the entire idea of games. Marginalized people don't have a choice. They don't get to quit and go home. The fact that you see "quit while you're ahead" as an option means your privilege is preventing you from seeing how far behind the majority of the people are. The paradox of tolerance is that tolerating the intolerant will lead to the destruction of tolerance by the intolerant. So no, let's not let the insurrectionists get off scot free. Let's crush their intolerance and "supremacy" out of existence. That's my endgame.

flavius29663 6y ago

in addition, pardon anyone who participated in riots throughout 2020, unless they killed or maimed someone directly.