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What's your plan, then? It is clear that some people are so far gone that logic and reason are no longer effective methods of reaching them. There is now a cla

by zucked 6y ago

What's your plan, then? It is clear that some people are so far gone that logic and reason are no longer effective methods of reaching them. There is now a claim that under sworn affidavit an Italian national has admitted to changing votes via a military satellite (what?!). Never mind that all the sources link back to each other, never mind that any self respecting shadow deepstate would simply disappear someone like that. It doesn't make any sense, and yet.. it's getting traction. Most of the claims that have people whipped up into a frenzy about a stolen election are equally as baseless in the face of literally zero evidence. And yet, here we are.

camjohnson26 6y ago
The government shouldn’t want to be the thought police. These people are going to keep believing crazy conspiracies and nothing we say is going to change their mind. What we can do is call out lying, take away large platforms for spreading lies, and prevent radicalization by giving everyone the freedom to say what they think and to have a place to do it. Banning these people from Twitter is just going to reinforce their victimhood mentality that the deep state controls the world. On the whole people these days need to spend less time trying to change other people’s minds and more time trying to understand them, even if what they believe is wrong.
- objectivetruth 6y ago
  You said we need to: > take away large platforms for spreading lies And also that we should not: > [Ban] these people from Twitter For a liar, Twitter IS a "large platform for spreading lies."
- zucked 6y ago
  > What we can do is call out lying Plenty of people and organizations have been doing this the last four years and even before that. >take away large platforms for spreading lies ... what would you say has been going on the last several days? Are you suggesting we shut down FB, Twitter, etc. entirely? Or, are you suggesting we moderate lie-spreading? Because according to the logic you've laid out, that will just feed into the victim hood mentality To be frank, I'm coming into this in good faith. I actually have waffled and entertained the thoughts you're suggesting over the last couple of days and while they're worth considering, I don't think they are acceptable solutions.
  - camjohnson26 6y ago
    Some have been calling out the lies and that has helped mitigate the damage. Taking away platforms can mean many different things, but on a personal level it means refusing to interact with clickbait. No solution will fix every issue or create a utopia where everybody believes the truth, I see no evidence that that world is even possible with all we know about human nature.

by zucked 6y ago

camjohnson26 6y ago

The government shouldn’t want to be the thought police. These people are going to keep believing crazy conspiracies and nothing we say is going to change their mind. What we can do is call out lying, take away large platforms for spreading lies, and prevent radicalization by giving everyone the freedom to say what they think and to have a place to do it. Banning these people from Twitter is just going to reinforce their victimhood mentality that the deep state controls the world. On the whole people these days need to spend less time trying to change other people’s minds and more time trying to understand them, even if what they believe is wrong.

objectivetruth 6y ago
You said we need to: > take away large platforms for spreading lies And also that we should not: > [Ban] these people from Twitter For a liar, Twitter IS a "large platform for spreading lies."
zucked 6y ago
> What we can do is call out lying Plenty of people and organizations have been doing this the last four years and even before that. >take away large platforms for spreading lies ... what would you say has been going on the last several days? Are you suggesting we shut down FB, Twitter, etc. entirely? Or, are you suggesting we moderate lie-spreading? Because according to the logic you've laid out, that will just feed into the victim hood mentality To be frank, I'm coming into this in good faith. I actually have waffled and entertained the thoughts you're suggesting over the last couple of days and while they're worth considering, I don't think they are acceptable solutions.
- camjohnson26 6y ago
  Some have been calling out the lies and that has helped mitigate the damage. Taking away platforms can mean many different things, but on a personal level it means refusing to interact with clickbait. No solution will fix every issue or create a utopia where everybody believes the truth, I see no evidence that that world is even possible with all we know about human nature.