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Is it not ironic that the ISP is censoring Facebook and Twitter because of claims that Facebook and Twitter are censoring...?
by azianmike 6y ago
Is it not ironic that the ISP is censoring Facebook and Twitter because of claims that Facebook and Twitter are censoring...?
- unstatusthequo 6y agoAmusing to me, really. Nobody stands up to Big Tech, so it’s nice to see them get theirs.
- mrzimmerman 6y ago"BiG tEcH" People only use this term when they're mad that they can't call for the hanging of American citizens or the burning down of our government. Amazon, Twitter, FB, Apple, Google—none of them have to tolerate calling for murder and destruction and they aren't going to risk liability by ignoring it and letting people come to harm. If you feel like not being able to call for lynchings of left leaning Americans is curtailing your speech then you need to reflect on why you want Americans dead so badly.
- rootusrootus 6y agoConsidering the location, it seems likely that ideology trumps irony.
- rwcarlsen 6y agoNorthern Idaho actually has quite a lot of left-leaning politics/culture. Southern idaho is where all the conservatives live (and the vast majority of people generally).
- Exmoor 6y ago"Northern Idaho" used to be shorthand for "extreme right wing" due to it being the location of the headquarters of the Aryan Nations and location of the Ruby Ridge standoff. Those references are over twenty years old now, so no idea how much that ideology survives there. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aryan_Nations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aryan_Nations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Randy_Weaver https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Randy_Weaver https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruby_Ridge https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruby_Ridge
- cogman10 6y agoThe unfortunate thing about getting in the news for being headquarters to nazis is that's how other nazis find you. Idaho (particularly northern idaho) is still nazi town. Fun story, the guy from the oatmeal grew up in northern idaho and made a blog post about the nazis there. https://theoatmeal.com/blog/bus https://theoatmeal.com/blog/bus
- masonic 6y agoEven NPR's Maria Hinojosa couldn't find any "Nazi Town" in Idaho, as she had expected to. See the "Our Private Idaho" episode of "America By The Numbers": https://shop.pbs.org/WC6542.html https://shop.pbs.org/WC6542.html Can you name any ten Nazis there? Five? Three?
- rconti 6y agoEndless sea of trump flags starting just north of Moscow.
- cogman10 6y agoEhhh... I'd say that the left leaning people are basically all in the Boise area (Ada county) Sort of west center of Idaho. Beyond that, it's trump town pretty much everywhere else. Especially the pan handle where all the neo-nazis live.
- putnambr 6y agoReally only Moscow where the university is, and maybe pockets of CDA. Where-as Boise, Meridian, Twin Falls, and Pocatello are all fairly centrist/left-leaning.
- jethro_tell 6y agoyes, northern idaho, I remember all the left leaning skin heads. . . /s It has more leftists than southern Idaho, but still, it's not exactly a bastion of progressive thinking. In fact, the state legislator doesn't have a single dem elected north of the boise metro, so I'm not sure how you're quantifying it?
- bigtones 6y agoYes, I agree - the ISP block is censorship also. When China blocks sites with The Great Firewall, we all agree that's censorship. This is the same thing.
- tomcam 6y agoIs the ISP in question run by a state organization or is it private?
- Grimm1 6y agoI stand by the actions of Facebook, Twitter etc, I'd agree this ISP has the same rights. Now where I could see it getting interesting is if consumers in the area don't have an alternative way to access content. I'd say if that is the case then this ISP here just opened up a door to a potential case to regulate them as utilities which means they wouldn't be able to do this. If the users do have a choice in the area then moot point.
- amenghra 6y ago56k modem, spacex starlink, tethering/mifi, rfc1149, etc. An ISP might always be able to claim that they don't have a monopoly?
- bosswipe 6y ago> I'd agree this ISP has the same rights This implies you agree with the ban on Network Neutrality, I do not.
- Grimm1 6y agoI agree a private business may do what they will within the bounds of our laws, so yes, but my framework for how I handle this would have ISPs regulated as natural monpoly which would make them a utility without that choice and that takes care of your concern. In their current state, however, you would not be wrong even if I wouldn't like it.
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- dfxm12 6y agoThis isn't about censorship. It's about supporting authoritarianism & getting people to tolerate the idea.
- FireBeyond 6y agoAnd perhaps unsurprising that it's in an area of the country that is a literal hotbed for white supremacy.
- mc32 6y agoOr protest? Sometimes people resign in protest knowing full well the person replacing them will acquiesce more...
- iaHN 6y agoAs stated elsewhere, by asking the question you’re assuming the point is to have a rational argument on consistent beliefs - but it isn’t. It’s to gaslight and misdirect for political gain.
- ukj 6y agoConsistency is an overrated value...
- gabereiser 6y agoBingo! Censoring a site because of censorship (even if misguided in terms) is like a kid saying you can’t play kickball because you didn’t invite him to play soccer (futbol)
- saurik 6y agoWell, I'd argue that censoring a site because of censorship is like a society saying you must be do community service (or even be locked into a jail/prison)--as in, lose some of your rights--because you violated someone else's rights.
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- Angostura 6y agoCiting censorship, downstream carriers remove peering/transit arrangements from ISP.