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The people who stormed into the capitol believe that they were doing so as a part of a fight against fascism, and I am now starting to think that a lot of my le
by thepasswordis 6y ago
The people who stormed into the capitol believe that they were doing so as a part of a fight against fascism, and I am now starting to think that a lot of my left wing friends simply don't understand what these people think. If you want to familiarize yourself with their thinking, I would recommend reading The Gulag Archipeligo. That's the world they think they are working to prevent:
Here are some things that they think
1) Several states changed election process via policy instead of via legislative process. This is illegal, and should be heard by a court. Maybe you think it was! But they don't. They believe in free and fair elections, and believe in the constitutionally layed out process for selecting government officials, as well as a system of arbitration if grievances arise during this process.
2) There is a left-wing authoritarian movement to delegitimize their political philosophy of limited government as racist. It is not racist, and they are not racist, and this is being used as a psychological tool against them.
3) There are powerful forces within the government who will use their power to suppress typical democratic processes to enact their will; usually in the service of overseas wars or profiteering.
Okay. Imagine being in the mindset of these people. You fear authoritarianism, you fear the suspension of democracy, you fear the suspension of constitutional freedoms. In the last couple of days you have seen:
1) The president of the united states effectively silenced.
2) Calls for the imprisonment of you and your family for thoughtcrime.
3) Calls of the forced removal of what you believe to be a duly elected president.
4) Unbounded joy at the idea of parler being hacked, and your personal details being leaked and used to threaten you.
What these people think they're asking for are democratic elections and a return to American democratic norms. Again, you can think that they're wrong or crazy, but that is what they think.
It is with pure terror that I keep seeing what is happening with all of this. At every single turn it seems like everybody keeps making the worst possible decisions. Politicians for supporting violent rioters and arsonists all summer, the mob storming into the capitol on Wednesday, people being put onto terrorism watch lists and banned from travel within their own country, powerful tech oligopolies silencing any form of dissenting opinion (NOT just violent opinions).
I saw a video of a guy being removed from a flight earlier today (posted on twitter of course with a snarky/giddy comment). He was in his 50s it looked like, and crying because he said they called him a terrorist and now he isn't allowed to travel.
Banning that guy from travel will NOT calm him, and it will NOT calm the people in his social and familial circle. It will radicalize them. Cutting off their access to places like twitter will not calm their insanity. It will fuel it when the ONLY voices they are now hearing are the most radical ones. Completely insane people like Lin Wood are now where these people will be getting their information.
I wish people would slow down, step back for a moment and try to choose the paths that will result in deescalation. Not further radicalization. It's extremely frightening and depressing to watch this happen.
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- ed25519FUUU 6y agoThe gap between the coastal and flyover cities is too great I'm afraid. What bridge can someone possibly build? Each looks at one another as the enemy of the country and the singular reason for all of their perceived problems with America. I gotta say, if a divided country was the goal of a foreign adversary, they've exceeded in ways no one ever thought possible.
- thepasswordis 6y agoWe have to keep talking to each other, we have to hold each other to a high standard, we have to recognize the profit motives of large media companies and we have to stop trying to demonize groups of people we don't like. If we keep on this path, it only gets worse.
- ketamine__ 6y agoThe people who violently attacked the capitol building had grievances that weren't true. Watch Mitt Romney's speech to understand. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFj2Br8nxoc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFj2Br8nxoc
- js8 6y ago> The people who stormed into the capitol believe that they were doing so as a part of a fight against fascism, and I am now starting to think that a lot of my left wing friends simply don't understand what these people think. I think this is wishful thinking. Somehow I trust more this explanation: https://mobile.twitter.com/SlavaMalamud/status/1347378198359777280 https://mobile.twitter.com/SlavaMalamud/status/1347378198359...
- thepasswordis 6y agoIm sorry, but this is a part of the problem. You cannot distill an entire group of people down into a 180 character post on twitter. THAT is what got us into this mess. Go meet some conservatives in real life. They aren't the monsters those 180 characters describe. edit: Ahh I see. So white people are all just a bunch of self important demons. I can assure you that "$foo racial group are all illegitimate and if we can reeducate them or get rid of them it will all get better" is not a path that has historically led to peace.