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Your post reads as if it's downplaying the significance of Wednesday's failed coup attempt, and the incredible ramifications of it.

ordinaryradical 6y ago
It is downplaying. What happened was unprecedented political violence and the only reason to make an argument like the parent is because you cannot admit it deserves a serious, judicial response.
- cgriswald 6y ago
  > What happened was unprecedented political violence... Well, there were the little matters of the American Revolutionary War and the American Civil War. And a few others of varying scope in this incomplete list: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rebellions_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rebellions_in_the_Unit... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newburgh_Conspiracy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newburgh_Conspiracy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_Plot https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_Plot https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brooks%E2%80%93Baxter_War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brooks%E2%80%93Baxter_War (This isn't to disagree with you; or to downplay the seriousness or support the events of the sixth.) Edit: List formatting
vorpalhex 6y ago
Did we lose the Senate? What about the house? Do we have an enemy force occupying our capital? Are our nation's leaders kidnapped? Are there insurgents fighting in the streets? All three branches of the government are whole (and save the executive, functioning, but the executive wasn't functioning before the coup either) and business is moving on. That doesn't mean we shouldn't respond with physical security, press charges appropriately or react - but calling it a coup attempt is something that not even the NYTimes supports: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/07/world/americas/what-is-a-coup-attempt.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/07/world/americas/what-is-a-...
- dragonwriter 6y ago
  > Did we lose the Senate? What about the house? Do we have an enemy force occupying our capital? Are our nation’s leaders kidnapped? Are there insurgents fighting in the streets? I see you understood the word “coup” but the “failed…attempt” surrounding that word. Attempted murder doesn’t stop being a serious offense because no one died, and attempted coup doesn’t become a minor event because only a handful of people died and the attempt to improperly seize power by force failed.
- miguelmota 6y ago
  A successful coup or a failed coup, is still a coup. We can argue semantics but based on what happened it's clear this was a poorly executed attempt to undermine the government and seize political officials.
- desertrider12 6y ago
  We didn't lose any branches of government, but the proceedings of the legislature were disrupted for most of a day. I'm sure if they had been working on an emergency thing and not a formality that it could be continued in a bunker but it still feels like a huge deal to me. Maybe it's mostly symbolic, idk. I agree though, it doesn't seem like a coup since they got in and then had no plan for what to do once there. It was just unfocused anger.

ordinaryradical 6y ago

It is downplaying. What happened was unprecedented political violence and the only reason to make an argument like the parent is because you cannot admit it deserves a serious, judicial response.

cgriswald 6y ago
> What happened was unprecedented political violence... Well, there were the little matters of the American Revolutionary War and the American Civil War. And a few others of varying scope in this incomplete list: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rebellions_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rebellions_in_the_Unit... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newburgh_Conspiracy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newburgh_Conspiracy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_Plot https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_Plot https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brooks%E2%80%93Baxter_War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brooks%E2%80%93Baxter_War (This isn't to disagree with you; or to downplay the seriousness or support the events of the sixth.) Edit: List formatting

vorpalhex 6y ago

Did we lose the Senate? What about the house? Do we have an enemy force occupying our capital? Are our nation's leaders kidnapped? Are there insurgents fighting in the streets? All three branches of the government are whole (and save the executive, functioning, but the executive wasn't functioning before the coup either) and business is moving on. That doesn't mean we shouldn't respond with physical security, press charges appropriately or react - but calling it a coup attempt is something that not even the NYTimes supports: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/07/world/americas/what-is-a-coup-attempt.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/07/world/americas/what-is-a-...

dragonwriter 6y ago
> Did we lose the Senate? What about the house? Do we have an enemy force occupying our capital? Are our nation’s leaders kidnapped? Are there insurgents fighting in the streets? I see you understood the word “coup” but the “failed…attempt” surrounding that word. Attempted murder doesn’t stop being a serious offense because no one died, and attempted coup doesn’t become a minor event because only a handful of people died and the attempt to improperly seize power by force failed.
miguelmota 6y ago
A successful coup or a failed coup, is still a coup. We can argue semantics but based on what happened it's clear this was a poorly executed attempt to undermine the government and seize political officials.
desertrider12 6y ago
We didn't lose any branches of government, but the proceedings of the legislature were disrupted for most of a day. I'm sure if they had been working on an emergency thing and not a formality that it could be continued in a bunker but it still feels like a huge deal to me. Maybe it's mostly symbolic, idk. I agree though, it doesn't seem like a coup since they got in and then had no plan for what to do once there. It was just unfocused anger.