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There is an ounce of truth and a pound of trash in this. I'll explain. Truth: In theory, peoples' grievances need to be heard. Trump did not get elected simply

There is an ounce of truth and a pound of trash in this. I'll explain. Truth: In theory, peoples' grievances need to be heard. Trump did not get elected simply because he is a loudmouth contrarian criminal xenophobe. He also got elected over concerns for American manufacturing, a counterbalance to extreme-leftist social changes, the hope for real infrastructure investment, etc. However, in 2020, the idea of not being heard is pretty crap. "Being heard" doesn't mean "do everything you ask all the time". Trump has spread constant, factual lies, and as the President, incited violence at the Capitol. The people marching currently, the pretext of which is to argue that the free and fair election of Biden is illegitimate because it isn't who they want, is garbage. That grievance does not warrant any more attention than it has been given; that there is no evidence of systemic fraud at any level, and that this is a well-vetted assertion. Finally, while "primary sources" are nice to have, it is suspicious to me that you don't trust the FBI on this. I'm no blind supporter of LEO (Ha!) but how are you suspicious of the claim, given the behavior and events of the past week/two months? It makes no sense.

lettergram 6y ago
While I largely disagree, it’s a fair opinion. However, to your last point: > to have, it is suspicious to me that you don't trust the FBI on this. I'm no blind supporter of LEO (Ha!) but how are you suspicious of the claim, given the behavior and events of the past week/two months? It makes no sense. No one had firearms at the capital, at least so far as I’m aware. Had they brought them that would be a different story. I also built a platform to monitor social networks (check my profile). I haven’t picked anything up like all 50 states protesting. A few surely, but idk not some crazy coordination or anything (honestly seems more from the left). Could be underground, but idk. The capital protest had far more going on.
- Diederich 6y ago
  > No one had firearms at the capital I assume you mean among the rioters: are you sure? I saw video of a guy pulling up his jacket showing a handgun stuffed in his pants.
- justforyou 6y ago
  >> No one had firearms at the capital, at least so far as I’m aware of. >> I haven’t picked anything up like all 50 states protesting. A few surely, but idk not some crazy coordination or anything (honestly seems more from the left). You're wrong about this, and you probably shouldn't be bragging about your platform or credentials if you're this ignorant of what is going on.
- NikolaeVarius 6y ago
  > No one had firearms at the capital, Trivially fact checkable https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/pr/alabama-man-charged-possession-eleven-molotov-cocktails-found-near-protest-us-capitol https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/pr/alabama-man-charged-posse... > and secured one black handgun, one M4 Carbine assault rifle along with rifle magazines loaded with ammunition, and components for the construction of eleven “Molotov Cocktails” in the form of mason jars filled with ignitable substances, rags, and lighters. https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-joe-biden-donald-trump-coronavirus-pandemic-elections-1806ea8dc15a2c04f2a68acd6b55cace https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-joe-biden-donald-tr... > hey found a compact Tavor X95 assault rifle, a 9mm Glock 19 handgun and about 100 rounds of ammunition, according to court filings.
rconti 6y ago
What's the "extreme leftist social change" we've seen in the US?
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- toiletfuneral 6y ago
  NOT killing black people for sport and letting poor people see a doctor is radical leftism
- AnimalMuppet 6y ago
  Gay marriage not legal -> gay marriage legal. You may think it's right or wrong, but it's definitely social change, it's definitely in the left direction, and, from the perspective of 2000 (even more, 1950) it's quite extreme.
  - pmiller2 6y ago
    Is that it? From the perspective of 1950, giving black people civil rights is "radical leftism."
- unethical_ban 6y ago
  To social conservatives? The swiftness of things like LGBT gaining moral acceptance. The attack on pronouns, cancel culture that attempts to ruin lives if you have ever done anything in the past that by ever-changing current woke standards is offensive. To be clear on my stance, I'm left and I am pleased overall with the social changes and tolerance being pushed. Socially conservative people have always existed, and would typically be wary of changes in the world order/society no matter what. Our society on this planet has changed at a much quicker rate than average. Then throw in social media, which allows amplification of the extremes, and things really can feel off the rails.
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lettergram 6y ago

While I largely disagree, it’s a fair opinion. However, to your last point: > to have, it is suspicious to me that you don't trust the FBI on this. I'm no blind supporter of LEO (Ha!) but how are you suspicious of the claim, given the behavior and events of the past week/two months? It makes no sense. No one had firearms at the capital, at least so far as I’m aware. Had they brought them that would be a different story. I also built a platform to monitor social networks (check my profile). I haven’t picked anything up like all 50 states protesting. A few surely, but idk not some crazy coordination or anything (honestly seems more from the left). Could be underground, but idk. The capital protest had far more going on.

Diederich 6y ago
> No one had firearms at the capital I assume you mean among the rioters: are you sure? I saw video of a guy pulling up his jacket showing a handgun stuffed in his pants.
justforyou 6y ago
>> No one had firearms at the capital, at least so far as I’m aware of. >> I haven’t picked anything up like all 50 states protesting. A few surely, but idk not some crazy coordination or anything (honestly seems more from the left). You're wrong about this, and you probably shouldn't be bragging about your platform or credentials if you're this ignorant of what is going on.
NikolaeVarius 6y ago
> No one had firearms at the capital, Trivially fact checkable https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/pr/alabama-man-charged-possession-eleven-molotov-cocktails-found-near-protest-us-capitol https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/pr/alabama-man-charged-posse... > and secured one black handgun, one M4 Carbine assault rifle along with rifle magazines loaded with ammunition, and components for the construction of eleven “Molotov Cocktails” in the form of mason jars filled with ignitable substances, rags, and lighters. https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-joe-biden-donald-trump-coronavirus-pandemic-elections-1806ea8dc15a2c04f2a68acd6b55cace https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-joe-biden-donald-tr... > hey found a compact Tavor X95 assault rifle, a 9mm Glock 19 handgun and about 100 rounds of ammunition, according to court filings.

rconti 6y ago

What's the "extreme leftist social change" we've seen in the US?

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toiletfuneral 6y ago
NOT killing black people for sport and letting poor people see a doctor is radical leftism
AnimalMuppet 6y ago
Gay marriage not legal -> gay marriage legal. You may think it's right or wrong, but it's definitely social change, it's definitely in the left direction, and, from the perspective of 2000 (even more, 1950) it's quite extreme.
- pmiller2 6y ago
  Is that it? From the perspective of 1950, giving black people civil rights is "radical leftism."
unethical_ban 6y ago
To social conservatives? The swiftness of things like LGBT gaining moral acceptance. The attack on pronouns, cancel culture that attempts to ruin lives if you have ever done anything in the past that by ever-changing current woke standards is offensive. To be clear on my stance, I'm left and I am pleased overall with the social changes and tolerance being pushed. Socially conservative people have always existed, and would typically be wary of changes in the world order/society no matter what. Our society on this planet has changed at a much quicker rate than average. Then throw in social media, which allows amplification of the extremes, and things really can feel off the rails.

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