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So nothing substantial was found after a 4-year investigation intended to distract a sitting President.

ChrisLomont 6y ago
Except for the indictments waiting him upon leaving office. Trump is referred to as "Individual #1" in indictments that sent people to prison, and in the Cohen case, this is clearly Trump. That phrase becomes unsealed when prosecutors unseal it, and they're most likely waiting for Trump's term to be over, making it clearer he can be Federally indicted. Otherwise who do you think "Individual #1" is? So when Trump is cleared by these indictments in the future I'll admit there was nothing provable in court. Until then we should wait to see what these existing charges do when they hit Federal court. [1] https://www.npr.org/2020/11/20/937044524/once-out-of-office-trump-faces-significant-legal-peril https://www.npr.org/2020/11/20/937044524/once-out-of-office-...
- dragonwriter 6y ago
  You are making an unwarranted assumption here. “Individual #1” follows the norm for unindicted co-conspirators. Now, it's true that an individual subject of sealed indictments related to the crime in question would (because the indictment is nonpublic) be treated the same, but you can't conclude the existence of a sealed indictment from this usage. Further, none of his “Individual #1” references are related to Russia collusion, even though they arose from things that spun out of that investigation.
  - ChrisLomont 6y ago
    >“Individual #1” follows the norm for unindicted co-conspirators Yes, unindicted because it's not clear if you can indict a President. Those are waiting for the day Trump is out of office, when indictments will likely follow. From the sentencing memorandum [1]: Cohen states he "acted in coordination with and at the direction of Individual-1", which is likely a felony - usually crime bosses dictating lower level people to commit crimes get harsher punishments than the underlings - and this will likely be tested once Trump leaves office. So "Individual #1" is not merely a mention of a person. It's the label of a person that directed felony activities. [1] https://www.vox.com/2018/12/7/18130805/michael-cohen-sentencing-memo-mueller https://www.vox.com/2018/12/7/18130805/michael-cohen-sentenc...

Except for the indictments waiting him upon leaving office. Trump is referred to as "Individual #1" in indictments that sent people to prison, and in the Cohen case, this is clearly Trump. That phrase becomes unsealed when prosecutors unseal it, and they're most likely waiting for Trump's term to be over, making it clearer he can be Federally indicted. Otherwise who do you think "Individual #1" is? So when Trump is cleared by these indictments in the future I'll admit there was nothing provable in court. Until then we should wait to see what these existing charges do when they hit Federal court. [1] https://www.npr.org/2020/11/20/937044524/once-out-of-office-trump-faces-significant-legal-peril https://www.npr.org/2020/11/20/937044524/once-out-of-office-...

dragonwriter 6y ago
You are making an unwarranted assumption here. “Individual #1” follows the norm for unindicted co-conspirators. Now, it's true that an individual subject of sealed indictments related to the crime in question would (because the indictment is nonpublic) be treated the same, but you can't conclude the existence of a sealed indictment from this usage. Further, none of his “Individual #1” references are related to Russia collusion, even though they arose from things that spun out of that investigation.
- ChrisLomont 6y ago
  >“Individual #1” follows the norm for unindicted co-conspirators Yes, unindicted because it's not clear if you can indict a President. Those are waiting for the day Trump is out of office, when indictments will likely follow. From the sentencing memorandum [1]: Cohen states he "acted in coordination with and at the direction of Individual-1", which is likely a felony - usually crime bosses dictating lower level people to commit crimes get harsher punishments than the underlings - and this will likely be tested once Trump leaves office. So "Individual #1" is not merely a mention of a person. It's the label of a person that directed felony activities. [1] https://www.vox.com/2018/12/7/18130805/michael-cohen-sentencing-memo-mueller https://www.vox.com/2018/12/7/18130805/michael-cohen-sentenc...