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If the US was not involved what do you think would have happened? Would you like to amend it so it says "Was the most instrumental country in the Allied victori

If the US was not involved what do you think would have happened? Would you like to amend it so it says "Was the most instrumental country in the Allied victories against the Axis and Nazis?" My point remains. Also, the US has had many prior examples of overcoming internal struggles like civil war, civil rights movement, Vietnam. A small group of hillbillies and anarchists storming the capital is not something to be concerned with as the OP suggested.

jacquesm 6y ago
You can say exactly the same thing about Russia. If the Russians were not involved, what do you think would have happened? The US definitely played a major part but it is not as if they won the war by their lonesome and it is also a well established fact that they joined way late and only after Japan pretty much forced them to. So let's not go rewrite history here.
- exclusiv 6y ago
  The US was the most instrumental country in defeating the Axis. Doesn't matter when they joined. I'm not rewriting history. In fact, I suggested a correction to be more accurate/inclusive based on you clearly having an issue with my original statement. Everyone knows the US was not the only country that defeated the Nazis. I never tried to say they were. I'm not going to list every country involved when we're discussing a current event in the context of US affairs ONLY. My point still remains in my comment. If you look at the history of the US and what is has accomplished, the recent Capitol issue is not a real problem for the US or the average American family. You have no problem with the parent's post but a problem with my comment saying the US took down the Nazis and the Axis? A bunch of countries took down the Nazis. So what? I wouldn't get all sensitive if someone from Russia was talking about them taking down the Nazis as an example of them overcoming something VASTLY more concerning than their current affairs.
mistermann 6y ago
> A small group of hillbillies and anarchists storming the capital is not something to be concerned with as the OP suggested. This opinion stands in stark contrast to the unified message coming from most journalists and left-leaning politicians - according to them, this was(!) a coup, a indisputable attempt to overthrow our most sacred institution. Never mind of course the fact that the USA itself is the grand daddy of regime changers - I guess it isn't so sacred when the regime being changed is the democratically elected government of a foreign nation, and the one doing the regime change is us. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_regime_change https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_r...
- exclusiv 6y ago
  The USA is 330M people. What the journalists and politicians report has nothing to do with whether it is a real concern or not. There have always been anarchists and these types of people that don't like the current administration. We've had Presidents shot. We have crazy cults. We have unstable people with agendas. Hell, we had a nasty civil war before. It's not a real concern to the nation's republic despite what some wish. It seems you aren't a fan of the US. What's your stance on Nazi Germany? Imperial Japanese puppet regimes? And even if a dictator only screws over their own citizens - should they get to do as they please because it's their country? I don't agree with every regime change. And personally I'd rather let most countries deal with their own affairs. But sometimes it's necessary. The recent events are a non-issue to our republic. I know that will displease some that would love the US to completely unravel. But it's not going to happen.
  - mistermann 6y ago
    > The USA is 330M people. What the journalists and politicians report has nothing to do with whether it is a real concern or not. I actually agree with this, if interpreted strictly literally. However, what journalists and politicians report modifies people's perception of reality, and the manner in which the masses perceive reality very much is a real concern, because it affects their decision making and behavior, which in turn affects politicians decision making (see: the Patriot Act). > It's not a real concern to the nation's republic despite what some wish. In the dimensionally complex reality we live in, how do you come to perceive yourself as being able to know what is and is not a "real concern to the nation's republic"? From my vantage point, this is a bit like the One Master Cult to which almost all humans belong, and is the very most dangerous of all cults. > It seems you aren't a fan of the US. What's your stance on Nazi Germany? Imperial Japanese puppet regimes? And even if a dictator only screws over their own citizens - should they get to do as they please because it's their country? I am not a fan of the increasingly popular relativistic-only, "false dichotomy" style of thinking. In an absolute sense, the United States has (significant, addressable) flaws, or it does not. These flaws will manifest in physical reality in a manner that causes harm to humanity, or they will not. Each individual and overall humanity can understand and properly conceptualize this complexity, or they cannot. This is but a small description of the nature of reality. Humanity may have little interest in reality as it is, but I suspect that sentiment does not flow both ways. > The recent events are a non-issue to our republic. I know that will displease some that would love the US to completely unravel. But it's not going to happen. You do not know what is going to happen, you only perceive that you know. Once again, a characteristic common to the One Master Cult. Evidence of perceived omniscience can be found everywhere, and its prevalence seems to be increasing with the increasing complexity of our world.

jacquesm 6y ago

You can say exactly the same thing about Russia. If the Russians were not involved, what do you think would have happened? The US definitely played a major part but it is not as if they won the war by their lonesome and it is also a well established fact that they joined way late and only after Japan pretty much forced them to. So let's not go rewrite history here.

exclusiv 6y ago
The US was the most instrumental country in defeating the Axis. Doesn't matter when they joined. I'm not rewriting history. In fact, I suggested a correction to be more accurate/inclusive based on you clearly having an issue with my original statement. Everyone knows the US was not the only country that defeated the Nazis. I never tried to say they were. I'm not going to list every country involved when we're discussing a current event in the context of US affairs ONLY. My point still remains in my comment. If you look at the history of the US and what is has accomplished, the recent Capitol issue is not a real problem for the US or the average American family. You have no problem with the parent's post but a problem with my comment saying the US took down the Nazis and the Axis? A bunch of countries took down the Nazis. So what? I wouldn't get all sensitive if someone from Russia was talking about them taking down the Nazis as an example of them overcoming something VASTLY more concerning than their current affairs.

mistermann 6y ago

> A small group of hillbillies and anarchists storming the capital is not something to be concerned with as the OP suggested. This opinion stands in stark contrast to the unified message coming from most journalists and left-leaning politicians - according to them, this was(!) a coup, a indisputable attempt to overthrow our most sacred institution. Never mind of course the fact that the USA itself is the grand daddy of regime changers - I guess it isn't so sacred when the regime being changed is the democratically elected government of a foreign nation, and the one doing the regime change is us. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_regime_change https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_r...

exclusiv 6y ago
The USA is 330M people. What the journalists and politicians report has nothing to do with whether it is a real concern or not. There have always been anarchists and these types of people that don't like the current administration. We've had Presidents shot. We have crazy cults. We have unstable people with agendas. Hell, we had a nasty civil war before. It's not a real concern to the nation's republic despite what some wish. It seems you aren't a fan of the US. What's your stance on Nazi Germany? Imperial Japanese puppet regimes? And even if a dictator only screws over their own citizens - should they get to do as they please because it's their country? I don't agree with every regime change. And personally I'd rather let most countries deal with their own affairs. But sometimes it's necessary. The recent events are a non-issue to our republic. I know that will displease some that would love the US to completely unravel. But it's not going to happen.
- mistermann 6y ago
  > The USA is 330M people. What the journalists and politicians report has nothing to do with whether it is a real concern or not. I actually agree with this, if interpreted strictly literally. However, what journalists and politicians report modifies people's perception of reality, and the manner in which the masses perceive reality very much is a real concern, because it affects their decision making and behavior, which in turn affects politicians decision making (see: the Patriot Act). > It's not a real concern to the nation's republic despite what some wish. In the dimensionally complex reality we live in, how do you come to perceive yourself as being able to know what is and is not a "real concern to the nation's republic"? From my vantage point, this is a bit like the One Master Cult to which almost all humans belong, and is the very most dangerous of all cults. > It seems you aren't a fan of the US. What's your stance on Nazi Germany? Imperial Japanese puppet regimes? And even if a dictator only screws over their own citizens - should they get to do as they please because it's their country? I am not a fan of the increasingly popular relativistic-only, "false dichotomy" style of thinking. In an absolute sense, the United States has (significant, addressable) flaws, or it does not. These flaws will manifest in physical reality in a manner that causes harm to humanity, or they will not. Each individual and overall humanity can understand and properly conceptualize this complexity, or they cannot. This is but a small description of the nature of reality. Humanity may have little interest in reality as it is, but I suspect that sentiment does not flow both ways. > The recent events are a non-issue to our republic. I know that will displease some that would love the US to completely unravel. But it's not going to happen. You do not know what is going to happen, you only perceive that you know. Once again, a characteristic common to the One Master Cult. Evidence of perceived omniscience can be found everywhere, and its prevalence seems to be increasing with the increasing complexity of our world.