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If AWS is dropping you, then Facebook, Twitter, and Google probably already have. Stripe, Cloudflare, and Paypal are probably doing the same. If you try to cont

If AWS is dropping you, then Facebook, Twitter, and Google probably already have. Stripe, Cloudflare, and Paypal are probably doing the same. If you try to continue, Visa, MasterCard, and your ISP will shut you down next. This is the world we live in now. You can be removed from commerce by a unanimous decision that you will be told never happened. I am just glad I can shut people down hard now when they say, "If you don't like X, then build your own X." I have now watched two Twitter clones and one Patreon clone be shutdown by magical sudden decisions made in lockstep. My guess is that BitChute is next.

jhowell 6y ago
> I have now watched two Twitter clones and one Patreon clone be shutdown by magical sudden decisions made in lockstep. Magical?
- drak0n1c 6y ago
  I believe the commenter is referring to the coordinated collusion of the activity, which is reminiscent of anti-competitive cartels.
  - jhowell 6y ago
    Seems a false equivalent to compare the events that caused these recent terminations to the past, or "magic." What about that should be protected?
res0nat0r 6y ago
Parler obviously only existed to cater to right wing extrimsm and violent rhetoric. It's the reason they "couldn't" moderate it, as if they did there would be no reason for it to exist. Reddit is still around even after r/thedonald and other violent / hateful subreddits were on the site and finally banned. The difference is reddit doesn't primarily exist to foster violence and extremism.
ctvo 6y ago
What unfortunate circumstances we find ourselves in when the cost of doing business with a company associated with white supremacists, insurrectionists, and murderers outweighs the benefits so much that other private businesses won't sell them things. Everyone is entitled to force themselves on Apple, Google, Amazon, Twilio, Stripe, et al., right? I find a depressing majority of the people screaming censorship at the top of their lungs believe people are not entitled to health care or free education in this country. That would be big government. People however are entitled to make you do business with them, even if it's financially damaging to you.
- obviouslynotme 6y ago
  If just Apple suspended them for a clearly identified infringement of codified policy and then gave them steps to correct it, I wouldn't care nearly as much as multiple sectors of industry banning one company within hours of each other. It's the coordination that is terrifying. When a group of powerful people says, "You have to let me do crazy thing, or the boogieman wins," you must forgive me for having doubts. I have heard that too many times to count.
  - lindenksv85 6y ago
    It’s not coordination if multiple companies actually agree on reality. I would think it would be worse if some companies said this were fine and other didn’t - THAT would imply that someone was being treated unfairly maybe. This is just a unanimous jury, that’s all. I think it’s rather silly to say that if, for example, someone goes on tv and says they’re planning on building nuclear bombs in their closet, you believe Apple can’t suspend them until they say that exact same thing on their platform. If you are a violent threat in the real world, then you also are on all the platforms whether you reveal that there or not.
    - obviouslynotme 6y ago
      The problem with your example is I don't turn off the bomb maker's electricity. I call the police. They take violent threats seriously. If you think someone is making a violent threat, that is what you do. They want to shut down non-violent speech. The police won't deal with that. As for the collusion, I might believe you if this were the first time. After all, it was such an enormous, public incident. But it is not the first time and it will not be the last time either.
LockAndLol 6y ago
Why bit chute? Aren't they just a peertube alternative?
- obviouslynotme 6y ago
  They host content that YouTube will not. That seems to be enough. Peertube is federated, and I haven't seen them attack a federated service, yet.
0x10c0fe11ce 6y ago
This is happening to normal folks with small businesses too. I have some friends who are being targeted by google and fb, for no good reason as they’re completely in the dark. We need to decentralize the web yesterday.

jhowell 6y ago

> I have now watched two Twitter clones and one Patreon clone be shutdown by magical sudden decisions made in lockstep. Magical?

drak0n1c 6y ago
I believe the commenter is referring to the coordinated collusion of the activity, which is reminiscent of anti-competitive cartels.
- jhowell 6y ago
  Seems a false equivalent to compare the events that caused these recent terminations to the past, or "magic." What about that should be protected?

res0nat0r 6y ago

Parler obviously only existed to cater to right wing extrimsm and violent rhetoric. It's the reason they "couldn't" moderate it, as if they did there would be no reason for it to exist. Reddit is still around even after r/thedonald and other violent / hateful subreddits were on the site and finally banned. The difference is reddit doesn't primarily exist to foster violence and extremism.

ctvo 6y ago

What unfortunate circumstances we find ourselves in when the cost of doing business with a company associated with white supremacists, insurrectionists, and murderers outweighs the benefits so much that other private businesses won't sell them things. Everyone is entitled to force themselves on Apple, Google, Amazon, Twilio, Stripe, et al., right? I find a depressing majority of the people screaming censorship at the top of their lungs believe people are not entitled to health care or free education in this country. That would be big government. People however are entitled to make you do business with them, even if it's financially damaging to you.

obviouslynotme 6y ago
If just Apple suspended them for a clearly identified infringement of codified policy and then gave them steps to correct it, I wouldn't care nearly as much as multiple sectors of industry banning one company within hours of each other. It's the coordination that is terrifying. When a group of powerful people says, "You have to let me do crazy thing, or the boogieman wins," you must forgive me for having doubts. I have heard that too many times to count.
- lindenksv85 6y ago
  It’s not coordination if multiple companies actually agree on reality. I would think it would be worse if some companies said this were fine and other didn’t - THAT would imply that someone was being treated unfairly maybe. This is just a unanimous jury, that’s all. I think it’s rather silly to say that if, for example, someone goes on tv and says they’re planning on building nuclear bombs in their closet, you believe Apple can’t suspend them until they say that exact same thing on their platform. If you are a violent threat in the real world, then you also are on all the platforms whether you reveal that there or not.
  - obviouslynotme 6y ago
    The problem with your example is I don't turn off the bomb maker's electricity. I call the police. They take violent threats seriously. If you think someone is making a violent threat, that is what you do. They want to shut down non-violent speech. The police won't deal with that. As for the collusion, I might believe you if this were the first time. After all, it was such an enormous, public incident. But it is not the first time and it will not be the last time either.

LockAndLol 6y ago

Why bit chute? Aren't they just a peertube alternative?

obviouslynotme 6y ago
They host content that YouTube will not. That seems to be enough. Peertube is federated, and I haven't seen them attack a federated service, yet.

0x10c0fe11ce 6y ago

This is happening to normal folks with small businesses too. I have some friends who are being targeted by google and fb, for no good reason as they’re completely in the dark. We need to decentralize the web yesterday.