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>Simply put, the average person is not prepared for lawyer level rhetorical devices in the wild. This boils down to "censorship is okay because people might be

>Simply put, the average person is not prepared for lawyer level rhetorical devices in the wild. This boils down to "censorship is okay because people might believe the wrong thing", and down that path lay a well-greased and well-trodden slippery slope ending in the maws of dragons. It's incredibly paternalistic. It is not your job, nor the government's, nor anyone else's to protect people from reading/thinking/etc. the wrong things.

intended 6y ago
It actually was my job, I saw exactly what letting things alone did. I know how many ways your ideas are incorrect, because I worked from that same starting point. If you believe that ideals are going to do the job, please feel free! There's 100s of subs that need mods. Take the time to find the most gnarly politically active sub and apply your ideas. Find the places where people actively deal with propo and indoctrination. If you can solve what everyone else has failed at, every firm, regulator and moderator under the sun will cheer you on. Till then, this is what works. Not because I like it, or because it's "paternal" - but because it conforms to how humans actually behave and how content performs online today. IT is what it is, and we can only improve by knowing reality first.
- Karunamon 6y ago
  Do you think your views will never be wrongfully censored?
  - intended 6y ago
    As I said, feel free to do it yourself. It's enlightening - it removes idealism and makes you formulate strategies that are practical. If you get the practice right, maybe we can get to the ideals. I've already been wrongfully censored, life goes on.
    - Karunamon 6y ago
      I'll keep my idealism, thanks. I've seen what censorship does, and I find it to be a far worse monster than any of those spawned by the free exchange of ideas.
      - intended 6y ago
        Sure, however idealism doesn't mean your opinion is better than actual facts. Its always interesting that I get into these discussion with some people who hold a position so strongly, yet unwilling to do any work to be reliable. Do try though, if you crack it there's genuinely a market for the solution.
        cryinghippo 6y ago
        > Sure, however idealism doesn't mean your opinion is better than actual facts. What are the facts you refer to? That some forums descend into chaos when left unmoderated? I don't think that's in dispute. It sounds like you disagree on a value judgement: what to do in the face of that fact.
  - numpad0 6y ago
    I think he IS wrongfully machined already. Those attitudes and behaviors are merely engineered traits to make Reddit engaging and active, sad to see who seems to be an otherwise happy person being wasted like that.

intended 6y ago

It actually was my job, I saw exactly what letting things alone did. I know how many ways your ideas are incorrect, because I worked from that same starting point. If you believe that ideals are going to do the job, please feel free! There's 100s of subs that need mods. Take the time to find the most gnarly politically active sub and apply your ideas. Find the places where people actively deal with propo and indoctrination. If you can solve what everyone else has failed at, every firm, regulator and moderator under the sun will cheer you on. Till then, this is what works. Not because I like it, or because it's "paternal" - but because it conforms to how humans actually behave and how content performs online today. IT is what it is, and we can only improve by knowing reality first.

Karunamon 6y ago
Do you think your views will never be wrongfully censored?
- intended 6y ago
  As I said, feel free to do it yourself. It's enlightening - it removes idealism and makes you formulate strategies that are practical. If you get the practice right, maybe we can get to the ideals. I've already been wrongfully censored, life goes on.
  - Karunamon 6y ago
    I'll keep my idealism, thanks. I've seen what censorship does, and I find it to be a far worse monster than any of those spawned by the free exchange of ideas.
    - intended 6y ago
      Sure, however idealism doesn't mean your opinion is better than actual facts. Its always interesting that I get into these discussion with some people who hold a position so strongly, yet unwilling to do any work to be reliable. Do try though, if you crack it there's genuinely a market for the solution.
      - cryinghippo 6y ago
        > Sure, however idealism doesn't mean your opinion is better than actual facts. What are the facts you refer to? That some forums descend into chaos when left unmoderated? I don't think that's in dispute. It sounds like you disagree on a value judgement: what to do in the face of that fact.
- numpad0 6y ago
  I think he IS wrongfully machined already. Those attitudes and behaviors are merely engineered traits to make Reddit engaging and active, sad to see who seems to be an otherwise happy person being wasted like that.