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Basically a bunch of beer belly rednecks who broke into a building after a protest/rally was over, yelled, and left in 6 hours with no plan whatsoever. Id hard

Basically a bunch of beer belly rednecks who broke into a building after a protest/rally was over, yelled, and left in 6 hours with no plan whatsoever. Id hardly call that much of a planned out effort to overthrow a country.

Acrobatic_Road 6y ago
They did some photo-ops, knocked over some furniture, stole AOC's shoe collection, and took pelosi's lectern as a war trophy. It was a ruthless attack on our democracy.
- metabagel 6y ago
  You're leaving out that they murdered a capitol police officer. People who were in the building have said they feared for their lives. Again, let's not downplay the seriousness of what happened.
  - Acrobatic_Road 6y ago
    I'm sure most of those people had weapons back at home. If they actually wanted to stage a coup, I'm pretty more than one police officer would have died. >Again, let's not downplay the seriousness of what happened. Let's not overplay it either.
- trident5000 6y ago
  K well the summer riots caused 20 billion in damage and destroyed peoples livelihoods and we didnt hear of a coup when the fringe stormed the white house. I have no problem calling out both sides but the hyperbole seems to go one way.
metabagel 6y ago
All they had to do was kill a single Democratic Senator in order to shift the balance of power in Congress. They did bludgeon to death a capitol police officer. We're very fortunate that no member of Congress was taken hostage or killed.
- trident5000 6y ago
  Thats not even factually accurate, he/she would be replaced by another dem. It would not shift the balance of power.
  - afavour 6y ago
    Incorrect. Take the example of Sherrod Brown, Democratic senator from Ohio. If he leaves office or dies the Republican governor, Mike DeWine, picks his replacement. He is in no way obliged to pick a Democrat.
    - trident5000 6y ago
      I suppose it depends but its highly likely as blue states tend to be thoroughly blue. As long as were taking about hypotheticals, what would have happened if they killed the president and VP when they stormed the white house? Nancy Pelosi is 3rd in line right? afavour: This is a perfect example of the information void between the two sides or selective memory. During the summer riots the white house was stormed with people trying to get past the gates. The secret service moved the pres to a bunker.
      - afavour 6y ago
        Edit now that you’ve changed the structure of your commend entirely: you’re just engaging in whataboutism now. You said that killing a senator could not change the balance of power. I explained that it was in fact quite possible, then you started discussing the protests that occurred over the summer (and the White House absolutely was not “stormed”, for what it’s worth!)
      - 8note 6y ago
        In this hypothetical, why are people that want trump to be president killing trump so that Nancy Pelosi can be president? What's their motivation here?
  - WaltPurvis 6y ago
    No. Your attempted correction is factually inaccurate. In most states, the governor appoints a replacement when there's an unexpected Senate vacancy, and in only six of those states is the governor required fill the vacancy with someone of the same political party as the prior senator. In the other states, governors can and do appoint someone from their own party, so a Democratic senator from most states with a Republican governor would be replaced by a Republican. That's the case in Georgia, Ohio, New Hampshire, etc. It's a real concern; given the current atmosphere and the 50-50 Senate split, it would not surprise me at all to see someone murder a senator in order to tip the balance of control.
afavour 6y ago
Thank you for a very clear example of the exact downplaying that's been discussed. > Basically a bunch of beer belly rednecks False. Was a huge mix of people, including very well off folks, off duty police officers and former military. Flying to DC on a week day is not exactly a working class pursuit. > broke into a building after a protest/rally was over, yelled Amongst other things they were yelling that they wanted to kill the Vice President. Five people died. You can claim their shouts to kill the VP were bluster if you'd like, but personally I'm in no doubt that things could have gone south very, very quickly if they'd found Pence, Pelosi or anyone else. Just watching the video footage of the violence is enough of a hint of that. > with no plan whatsoever To an extent I agree with you here. It was a mess of anger and resentment, not a convert military operation. But there were also pipebombs, and the current theory is that they were going to be used to distract Capitol police. People arrived with plastic zip ties to be used as hand cuffs. It doesn't require the whole mob to be organized, it just needs a small group within that mob. Just because the plan was not successful does not mean there was no plan.
- trident5000 6y ago
  If this was a real orchestrated coup organized by ex-military/special ops citizens on the right, you would know it. This was a sloppy riot.
  - 8note 6y ago
    A sloppy riot does not predict people having IEDs on hand, or the zip tie hand cuffs. You don't bring handcuffs to a peaceful protest, nor explosives. You'd instead expect them to have gas masks and umbrellas
    - trident5000 6y ago
      Yes ex-military and special ops fight wars with zip ties.

Acrobatic_Road 6y ago

They did some photo-ops, knocked over some furniture, stole AOC's shoe collection, and took pelosi's lectern as a war trophy. It was a ruthless attack on our democracy.

metabagel 6y ago
You're leaving out that they murdered a capitol police officer. People who were in the building have said they feared for their lives. Again, let's not downplay the seriousness of what happened.
- Acrobatic_Road 6y ago
  I'm sure most of those people had weapons back at home. If they actually wanted to stage a coup, I'm pretty more than one police officer would have died. >Again, let's not downplay the seriousness of what happened. Let's not overplay it either.
trident5000 6y ago
K well the summer riots caused 20 billion in damage and destroyed peoples livelihoods and we didnt hear of a coup when the fringe stormed the white house. I have no problem calling out both sides but the hyperbole seems to go one way.

metabagel 6y ago

All they had to do was kill a single Democratic Senator in order to shift the balance of power in Congress. They did bludgeon to death a capitol police officer. We're very fortunate that no member of Congress was taken hostage or killed.

trident5000 6y ago
Thats not even factually accurate, he/she would be replaced by another dem. It would not shift the balance of power.
- afavour 6y ago
  Incorrect. Take the example of Sherrod Brown, Democratic senator from Ohio. If he leaves office or dies the Republican governor, Mike DeWine, picks his replacement. He is in no way obliged to pick a Democrat.
  - trident5000 6y ago
    I suppose it depends but its highly likely as blue states tend to be thoroughly blue. As long as were taking about hypotheticals, what would have happened if they killed the president and VP when they stormed the white house? Nancy Pelosi is 3rd in line right? afavour: This is a perfect example of the information void between the two sides or selective memory. During the summer riots the white house was stormed with people trying to get past the gates. The secret service moved the pres to a bunker.
    - afavour 6y ago
      Edit now that you’ve changed the structure of your commend entirely: you’re just engaging in whataboutism now. You said that killing a senator could not change the balance of power. I explained that it was in fact quite possible, then you started discussing the protests that occurred over the summer (and the White House absolutely was not “stormed”, for what it’s worth!)
    - 8note 6y ago
      In this hypothetical, why are people that want trump to be president killing trump so that Nancy Pelosi can be president? What's their motivation here?
- WaltPurvis 6y ago
  No. Your attempted correction is factually inaccurate. In most states, the governor appoints a replacement when there's an unexpected Senate vacancy, and in only six of those states is the governor required fill the vacancy with someone of the same political party as the prior senator. In the other states, governors can and do appoint someone from their own party, so a Democratic senator from most states with a Republican governor would be replaced by a Republican. That's the case in Georgia, Ohio, New Hampshire, etc. It's a real concern; given the current atmosphere and the 50-50 Senate split, it would not surprise me at all to see someone murder a senator in order to tip the balance of control.

afavour 6y ago

Thank you for a very clear example of the exact downplaying that's been discussed. > Basically a bunch of beer belly rednecks False. Was a huge mix of people, including very well off folks, off duty police officers and former military. Flying to DC on a week day is not exactly a working class pursuit. > broke into a building after a protest/rally was over, yelled Amongst other things they were yelling that they wanted to kill the Vice President. Five people died. You can claim their shouts to kill the VP were bluster if you'd like, but personally I'm in no doubt that things could have gone south very, very quickly if they'd found Pence, Pelosi or anyone else. Just watching the video footage of the violence is enough of a hint of that. > with no plan whatsoever To an extent I agree with you here. It was a mess of anger and resentment, not a convert military operation. But there were also pipebombs, and the current theory is that they were going to be used to distract Capitol police. People arrived with plastic zip ties to be used as hand cuffs. It doesn't require the whole mob to be organized, it just needs a small group within that mob. Just because the plan was not successful does not mean there was no plan.

trident5000 6y ago
If this was a real orchestrated coup organized by ex-military/special ops citizens on the right, you would know it. This was a sloppy riot.
- 8note 6y ago
  A sloppy riot does not predict people having IEDs on hand, or the zip tie hand cuffs. You don't bring handcuffs to a peaceful protest, nor explosives. You'd instead expect them to have gas masks and umbrellas
  - trident5000 6y ago
    Yes ex-military and special ops fight wars with zip ties.