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Amazingly this is why I’m attracted to Signal and have set all chats to 1 week auto delete. To me text chats should be ephemeral. If I want something to stick

Amazingly this is why I’m attracted to Signal and have set all chats to 1 week auto delete. To me text chats should be ephemeral. If I want something to stick around for years, send to email.

behnamoh 6y ago
Even email is not permanent. There was a discussion a few months ago on HN where people were complaining that very old attachments just don't load up in Gmail, because they are not backed up on the servers.
- troyvit 6y ago
  There's a difference between email not being permanent and gmail not being permanent.
  - behnamoh 6y ago
    Logically speaking, my sentence is correct.
noxer 6y ago
The blog post is old. Telegram now has auto delete for chats for e2e chats and even manual delete including deleting your partners messages if you want to (on both sides - obviously not in groups). So yes the quick chat that you dont want to be archived anywhere can be deleted quickly and easily. Ofc this does not prevent the other side from storing it in advance but its rather unlikely and It would no longer be possible to proof that yous send these messages. It would just be a text file that could be crafted. So depending on what you sent you have plausible deniability even if a backup exists.
- fuzxi 6y ago
  >manual delete including deleting your partners messages if you want to (on both sides - obviously not in groups You can delete other people's messages for everyone in the chat if you're an admin of the group.
  - noxer 6y ago
    Yes, obviously you can as admin but that's just the admin power. You can also delete/edit your own messages in groups but they will be visible in the admin log for 2 days. So these 2 features are not meant to remove your messages from being stored/archived. Its just the normal moderation feature of group chats.
    - fuzxi 6y ago
      It's trivial to give everyone in a group admin rights with only the permission to delete messages. You can also delete all messages in a group from a specific user in one action.
      - noxer 6y ago
        no, its not. you can not do that there is an admin limit 20 iirc
SulfurHexaFluri 6y ago
I don't have such a distrust for the people I talk to that this is desirable. I find it pretty cool to scroll through old history and remember what we were up to years ago.
chanmad29 6y ago
Or better copy that to your notes- icloud/OneNote.

Amazingly this is why I’m attracted to Signal and have set all chats to 1 week auto delete. To me text chats should be ephemeral. If I want something to stick around for years, send to email.

behnamoh 6y ago

Even email is not permanent. There was a discussion a few months ago on HN where people were complaining that very old attachments just don't load up in Gmail, because they are not backed up on the servers.

troyvit 6y ago
There's a difference between email not being permanent and gmail not being permanent.
- behnamoh 6y ago
  Logically speaking, my sentence is correct.

noxer 6y ago

The blog post is old. Telegram now has auto delete for chats for e2e chats and even manual delete including deleting your partners messages if you want to (on both sides - obviously not in groups). So yes the quick chat that you dont want to be archived anywhere can be deleted quickly and easily. Ofc this does not prevent the other side from storing it in advance but its rather unlikely and It would no longer be possible to proof that yous send these messages. It would just be a text file that could be crafted. So depending on what you sent you have plausible deniability even if a backup exists.

fuzxi 6y ago
>manual delete including deleting your partners messages if you want to (on both sides - obviously not in groups You can delete other people's messages for everyone in the chat if you're an admin of the group.
- noxer 6y ago
  Yes, obviously you can as admin but that's just the admin power. You can also delete/edit your own messages in groups but they will be visible in the admin log for 2 days. So these 2 features are not meant to remove your messages from being stored/archived. Its just the normal moderation feature of group chats.
  - fuzxi 6y ago
    It's trivial to give everyone in a group admin rights with only the permission to delete messages. You can also delete all messages in a group from a specific user in one action.
    - noxer 6y ago
      no, its not. you can not do that there is an admin limit 20 iirc

SulfurHexaFluri 6y ago

I don't have such a distrust for the people I talk to that this is desirable. I find it pretty cool to scroll through old history and remember what we were up to years ago.

chanmad29 6y ago

Or better copy that to your notes- icloud/OneNote.