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> You can mitigate anything My point is what this guy seems to want to enable is fundamentally conspiring to commit crimes. He seems to talk around that, but

> You can mitigate anything My point is what this guy seems to want to enable is fundamentally conspiring to commit crimes. He seems to talk around that, but that's where we are.

bawolff 6y ago
I think you're reading in things he did not say. He seems concerned he will be unpopular not illegal. Whether or not that is a reasonable concern is debatable... but history certainly has examples of that sort of thing. That said, there are plenty of websites that do conspire to do illegal acts and seem to get away with it, for a time at least. (pirate bay, sci-hub are two im ok with ethically. The silk road is an example im less ok with)
- ogre_codes 6y ago
  Parler had no trouble getting in the App Store and AWS when they were perceived as merely espousing an unpopular opinion. Parler was blocked only after there was clear evidence that criminal activity was being openly planned on their platform and that planning was acted on.
  - Zelphyr 6y ago
    I'm a Freemason. Some people don't like that. They think we worship the devil (we don't) and that we control the world (were that wishing made it so but, no, we don't). It's not out of the realm of possibility that enough people have that view and decide that I and/or my company need to be shamed, shunned, and shut down. What do I do then? I've done nothing illegal, immoral, or unethical but a group of people have decided I need to lose everything simply because I joined a fraternity. That view in particular has already happened once, by the way. It could easily happen again. I say all that to say this: I think OP's question is what happens when it takes less than criminal activity to get kicked off of vendors such as AWS?
    - ogre_codes 6y ago
      > I think OP's question is what happens when it takes less than criminal activity to get kicked off of vendors such as AWS? Right now I have my own virtual machine for my web services. There are half a dozen of similarly affordable, neutral platforms not owned or affiliated with Amazon. Even my opinion were unpopular in the US, I could host in the EU, Canada, or Sweden.
      - Zelphyr 6y ago
        That presumes only people in the US fear my being a Freemason and, so the question remains.
  - im3w1l 6y ago
    They were too small to bother with. If they had been perceived the exact same way but with 100x the userbase, they would have gotten banned.

> You can mitigate anything My point is what this guy seems to want to enable is fundamentally conspiring to commit crimes. He seems to talk around that, but that's where we are.

bawolff 6y ago

I think you're reading in things he did not say. He seems concerned he will be unpopular not illegal. Whether or not that is a reasonable concern is debatable... but history certainly has examples of that sort of thing. That said, there are plenty of websites that do conspire to do illegal acts and seem to get away with it, for a time at least. (pirate bay, sci-hub are two im ok with ethically. The silk road is an example im less ok with)

ogre_codes 6y ago
Parler had no trouble getting in the App Store and AWS when they were perceived as merely espousing an unpopular opinion. Parler was blocked only after there was clear evidence that criminal activity was being openly planned on their platform and that planning was acted on.
- Zelphyr 6y ago
  I'm a Freemason. Some people don't like that. They think we worship the devil (we don't) and that we control the world (were that wishing made it so but, no, we don't). It's not out of the realm of possibility that enough people have that view and decide that I and/or my company need to be shamed, shunned, and shut down. What do I do then? I've done nothing illegal, immoral, or unethical but a group of people have decided I need to lose everything simply because I joined a fraternity. That view in particular has already happened once, by the way. It could easily happen again. I say all that to say this: I think OP's question is what happens when it takes less than criminal activity to get kicked off of vendors such as AWS?
  - ogre_codes 6y ago
    > I think OP's question is what happens when it takes less than criminal activity to get kicked off of vendors such as AWS? Right now I have my own virtual machine for my web services. There are half a dozen of similarly affordable, neutral platforms not owned or affiliated with Amazon. Even my opinion were unpopular in the US, I could host in the EU, Canada, or Sweden.
    - Zelphyr 6y ago
      That presumes only people in the US fear my being a Freemason and, so the question remains.
- im3w1l 6y ago
  They were too small to bother with. If they had been perceived the exact same way but with 100x the userbase, they would have gotten banned.