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Legitimacy aside - purely from a political perspective - this is pretty smart. Poland is at odds with the EU bureaucracy over a bunch of things, and 'Freedom o

by jariel 6y ago

Legitimacy aside - purely from a political perspective - this is pretty smart. Poland is at odds with the EU bureaucracy over a bunch of things, and 'Freedom of Expression' is definitely a populist issue a lot of people can feasibly rally behind. Whatever the reality is, the optics are good. It puts the EU in a position of having to 'defend censorship' (or at least detractors could say as much).

timeon 6y ago
> a lot of people can feasibly rally behind. I do not think that is the case. 'Free speech' is not new topic in EU, but most people who are talking about it are neo-nazis. This proposal is obviously dictature of free speech.
- jessaustin 6y ago
  True free speech is correct speech?
- jariel 6y ago
  So I think you just proved my point: "This proposal is obviously dictature of free speech. " ? That seems pretty 'newspeak' to me. They are making it so that anyone can post anything unless it's literally against the laws. And somehow this is 'authoritarian' or 'dicature'? Because it seems just the opposite. My point was, they're going to put the EU in an awkward position with this - just as you've put yourself in a little bit of an awkward position by trying to imply that 'freedom of expression' is 'dictature'. Now - I don't really like these guys one bit - but - the law seems at least superficially very reasonable. We're all super suspicious because this came from 'the bad guys' - fair enough, but it is what it is.
  - realmod 6y ago
    "Newspeak" is calling compelled speech free speech. This law would, for example, force HN to host spam and unrelated content since it does not break polish law. And forcing an entity like HN to host and disseminate content it does not want, is simply compelled speech and doing it under the guise of "free speech" does not change the nature of the law.
    - jariel 6y ago
      Having to host comments on a board one may disagree with is absolutely not 'compelled speech' any more than AT&T's requirement to carry 'all websites' is 'compelled speech'. There's grey area there for sure, but it's not authoritarian.

by jariel 6y ago

timeon 6y ago

> a lot of people can feasibly rally behind. I do not think that is the case. 'Free speech' is not new topic in EU, but most people who are talking about it are neo-nazis. This proposal is obviously dictature of free speech.

jessaustin 6y ago
True free speech is correct speech?
jariel 6y ago
So I think you just proved my point: "This proposal is obviously dictature of free speech. " ? That seems pretty 'newspeak' to me. They are making it so that anyone can post anything unless it's literally against the laws. And somehow this is 'authoritarian' or 'dicature'? Because it seems just the opposite. My point was, they're going to put the EU in an awkward position with this - just as you've put yourself in a little bit of an awkward position by trying to imply that 'freedom of expression' is 'dictature'. Now - I don't really like these guys one bit - but - the law seems at least superficially very reasonable. We're all super suspicious because this came from 'the bad guys' - fair enough, but it is what it is.
- realmod 6y ago
  "Newspeak" is calling compelled speech free speech. This law would, for example, force HN to host spam and unrelated content since it does not break polish law. And forcing an entity like HN to host and disseminate content it does not want, is simply compelled speech and doing it under the guise of "free speech" does not change the nature of the law.
  - jariel 6y ago
    Having to host comments on a board one may disagree with is absolutely not 'compelled speech' any more than AT&T's requirement to carry 'all websites' is 'compelled speech'. There's grey area there for sure, but it's not authoritarian.