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"Under its provisions, social media services will not be allowed to remove content or block accounts if the content on them does not break Polish law." Sooo ho

by tokai 6y ago

"Under its provisions, social media services will not be allowed to remove content or block accounts if the content on them does not break Polish law." Sooo hop on a topic specific group. Get my off-topic posts removed. Being off-topic is not a crime in Poland. Get my shitposts reinstated. The bill better be more specific than the article is.

xyzzyz 6y ago
I presume that depends on who removes these posts. If the posts are removed by group owners or moderators who are not affiliated with the social media service itself, I think that should be totally fine according to that law. It's the social media service itself that's not allowed to do that.
- iso1631 6y ago
  So dang wouldn't be allowed to boot any technically legal posts on hacker news, or ban people?
  - bargl 6y ago
    I'm guessing it would be more practical to make a method by which dang could easily reinstate a users' messages/account after receiving the required legal documentation. I also assume it only applies to Polish citizens, filing the complaints with their courts.
- asdfasgasdgasdg 6y ago
  How big does a group have to be before it's a social network?
scotty79 6y ago
I think it would be better if internet went not in the direction of removing stuff but in the direction of providing users with tools to avoid the content they don't wish to engage with. We shouldn't rely on security through obscurity when it comes to dangerously stupid ideas.
- intended 6y ago
  Cant work. If you are in the super market buying food, and people are giving out free trials of crack cocaine -> addiction city. You can very regularly see Nazi apologia which is so dressed up and benign sounding. "Teach the facts", "did this really happen" - the debunking of which requires access to people used to debunking it. The same rule applies to a variety of topics. Simply put, the average person is not prepared for lawyer level rhetorical devices in the wild. So either we remove content like that, or we live through whatever disasters a world of reality distortion creates. Most likely the survivors of that world will simply lock down the news down hard.
  - Karunamon 6y ago
    >Simply put, the average person is not prepared for lawyer level rhetorical devices in the wild. This boils down to "censorship is okay because people might believe the wrong thing", and down that path lay a well-greased and well-trodden slippery slope ending in the maws of dragons. It's incredibly paternalistic. It is not your job, nor the government's, nor anyone else's to protect people from reading/thinking/etc. the wrong things.
    - intended 6y ago
      It actually was my job, I saw exactly what letting things alone did. I know how many ways your ideas are incorrect, because I worked from that same starting point. If you believe that ideals are going to do the job, please feel free! There's 100s of subs that need mods. Take the time to find the most gnarly politically active sub and apply your ideas. Find the places where people actively deal with propo and indoctrination. If you can solve what everyone else has failed at, every firm, regulator and moderator under the sun will cheer you on. Till then, this is what works. Not because I like it, or because it's "paternal" - but because it conforms to how humans actually behave and how content performs online today. IT is what it is, and we can only improve by knowing reality first.
      - Karunamon 6y ago

by tokai 6y ago

xyzzyz 6y ago

I presume that depends on who removes these posts. If the posts are removed by group owners or moderators who are not affiliated with the social media service itself, I think that should be totally fine according to that law. It's the social media service itself that's not allowed to do that.

iso1631 6y ago
So dang wouldn't be allowed to boot any technically legal posts on hacker news, or ban people?
- bargl 6y ago
  I'm guessing it would be more practical to make a method by which dang could easily reinstate a users' messages/account after receiving the required legal documentation. I also assume it only applies to Polish citizens, filing the complaints with their courts.
asdfasgasdgasdg 6y ago
How big does a group have to be before it's a social network?

scotty79 6y ago

I think it would be better if internet went not in the direction of removing stuff but in the direction of providing users with tools to avoid the content they don't wish to engage with. We shouldn't rely on security through obscurity when it comes to dangerously stupid ideas.

intended 6y ago
Cant work. If you are in the super market buying food, and people are giving out free trials of crack cocaine -> addiction city. You can very regularly see Nazi apologia which is so dressed up and benign sounding. "Teach the facts", "did this really happen" - the debunking of which requires access to people used to debunking it. The same rule applies to a variety of topics. Simply put, the average person is not prepared for lawyer level rhetorical devices in the wild. So either we remove content like that, or we live through whatever disasters a world of reality distortion creates. Most likely the survivors of that world will simply lock down the news down hard.
- Karunamon 6y ago
  >Simply put, the average person is not prepared for lawyer level rhetorical devices in the wild. This boils down to "censorship is okay because people might believe the wrong thing", and down that path lay a well-greased and well-trodden slippery slope ending in the maws of dragons. It's incredibly paternalistic. It is not your job, nor the government's, nor anyone else's to protect people from reading/thinking/etc. the wrong things.
  - intended 6y ago
    It actually was my job, I saw exactly what letting things alone did. I know how many ways your ideas are incorrect, because I worked from that same starting point. If you believe that ideals are going to do the job, please feel free! There's 100s of subs that need mods. Take the time to find the most gnarly politically active sub and apply your ideas. Find the places where people actively deal with propo and indoctrination. If you can solve what everyone else has failed at, every firm, regulator and moderator under the sun will cheer you on. Till then, this is what works. Not because I like it, or because it's "paternal" - but because it conforms to how humans actually behave and how content performs online today. IT is what it is, and we can only improve by knowing reality first.
    - Karunamon 6y ago