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Oh that’s stupid. Companies will end up with some creative solutions - if it can not be removed it can be made hard to access. Honestly it looks like stupid peo

Oh that’s stupid. Companies will end up with some creative solutions - if it can not be removed it can be made hard to access. Honestly it looks like stupid people in power are sad that their antiLGBT posts are removed.

blfr 6y ago
Companies will end up with some creative solutions - if it can not be removed it can be made hard to access. Courts usually don't like to be jerked around like that. Sure, there are always loopholes, and it's difficult to tell whether authors will have the tenacity to keep patching the law but Ziobro's party (very surprisingly, I mean even their supporters barely believed this) managed to really clamp down on various VAT evasion schemes.
tester756 6y ago
I don't think you'd have easy time arguing in the court if you did something like that
- isbvhodnvemrwvn 6y ago
  I think geoblocking Poland would be easy enough.
  - tester756 6y ago
    I wouldn't cry if fb, twitter, insta and so on were unavaliable in Poland I think that would be step to the right direction
  - mirekrusin 6y ago
    You mean geounblocking Poland.
- daliusd 6y ago
  Well, I don't but Facebook meanwhile... Honestly, let's see what will happen - it is going to be interesting at least.
throwawaysea 6y ago
I get your point, but there's a middle ground here that I feel countries should rightly be able to defend, instead of letting Silicon Valley American companies unilaterally decide their fate. LGBT advocates in America have become extreme, even floating ideas like giving all children puberty blockers (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/transgender-activist-children-puberty-blockers https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/transgender-activist...) while other countries like the UK are recognizing, rather sanely, that there is no way a minor can give consent on puberty blockers (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/01/children-who-want-puberty-blockers-must-understand-effects-high-court-rules https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/01/children-who-w...). These days, you'd be labeled a "transphobe" for suggesting something so obvious in the US, and your posts would be deleted from Twitter/Facebook/Instagram/whatever. So I can see reasonable reasons why other countries and their citizens would want to retain local control on allowed/disallowed speech.
- sudenmorsian 6y ago
  > Jones, however, told the Washington Examiner that she is not advocating for all children to be put on such medications. > "I was not making an argument that all youth should be given puberty blockers. This was not an actual proposal, and it is not something I advocate or endorse," Jones said. > "This was an argument that claims of trans youth’s unreadiness to give consent to puberty blockers, if followed consistently, lead to the conclusion that all youth are likewise not ready for the experience of puberty itself. Because that conclusion is absurd — again, this was not something that I advocated or endorsed — the argument that trans youth can’t consent to puberty blockers is faulty," Jones added. With all due respect, in this situation you’re claiming that a fringe view in the US (which even the alleged proponent says was not an actual proposal) is the accepted norm, and that anyone who objects is called a transphobe. That’s not the case at all.
  - throwawaysea 6y ago
    My main point is something different. I'm saying that things have gone so far that people express extreme suggestions like that one, and along with that extremism they are less receptive to any discussion or research challenging their narratives. For example, I've seen concerned parents and organizations push back on policies that let children secretly consent to puberty blockers without notice to parents. I've literally seen posts discussing this get deleted from Facebook or Instagram, due to activists mass reporting them. The practice of banning "wrongspeak" that doesn't align with favored groups/causes is very real and it is a big problem.

blfr 6y ago

Companies will end up with some creative solutions - if it can not be removed it can be made hard to access. Courts usually don't like to be jerked around like that. Sure, there are always loopholes, and it's difficult to tell whether authors will have the tenacity to keep patching the law but Ziobro's party (very surprisingly, I mean even their supporters barely believed this) managed to really clamp down on various VAT evasion schemes.

tester756 6y ago

I don't think you'd have easy time arguing in the court if you did something like that

isbvhodnvemrwvn 6y ago
I think geoblocking Poland would be easy enough.
- tester756 6y ago
  I wouldn't cry if fb, twitter, insta and so on were unavaliable in Poland I think that would be step to the right direction
- mirekrusin 6y ago
  You mean geounblocking Poland.
daliusd 6y ago
Well, I don't but Facebook meanwhile... Honestly, let's see what will happen - it is going to be interesting at least.

throwawaysea 6y ago

I get your point, but there's a middle ground here that I feel countries should rightly be able to defend, instead of letting Silicon Valley American companies unilaterally decide their fate. LGBT advocates in America have become extreme, even floating ideas like giving all children puberty blockers (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/transgender-activist-children-puberty-blockers https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/transgender-activist...) while other countries like the UK are recognizing, rather sanely, that there is no way a minor can give consent on puberty blockers (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/01/children-who-want-puberty-blockers-must-understand-effects-high-court-rules https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/01/children-who-w...). These days, you'd be labeled a "transphobe" for suggesting something so obvious in the US, and your posts would be deleted from Twitter/Facebook/Instagram/whatever. So I can see reasonable reasons why other countries and their citizens would want to retain local control on allowed/disallowed speech.

sudenmorsian 6y ago
> Jones, however, told the Washington Examiner that she is not advocating for all children to be put on such medications. > "I was not making an argument that all youth should be given puberty blockers. This was not an actual proposal, and it is not something I advocate or endorse," Jones said. > "This was an argument that claims of trans youth’s unreadiness to give consent to puberty blockers, if followed consistently, lead to the conclusion that all youth are likewise not ready for the experience of puberty itself. Because that conclusion is absurd — again, this was not something that I advocated or endorsed — the argument that trans youth can’t consent to puberty blockers is faulty," Jones added. With all due respect, in this situation you’re claiming that a fringe view in the US (which even the alleged proponent says was not an actual proposal) is the accepted norm, and that anyone who objects is called a transphobe. That’s not the case at all.
- throwawaysea 6y ago
  My main point is something different. I'm saying that things have gone so far that people express extreme suggestions like that one, and along with that extremism they are less receptive to any discussion or research challenging their narratives. For example, I've seen concerned parents and organizations push back on policies that let children secretly consent to puberty blockers without notice to parents. I've literally seen posts discussing this get deleted from Facebook or Instagram, due to activists mass reporting them. The practice of banning "wrongspeak" that doesn't align with favored groups/causes is very real and it is a big problem.