4 ms·

> Sedition objecting to a state's election process and /or electoral votes is not sedition. in fact, it's been done by Democratic senators after the 2000, 2004

> Sedition objecting to a state's election process and /or electoral votes is not sedition. in fact, it's been done by Democratic senators after the 2000, 2004, and 2016 elections. this is part of the democratic process. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/06/opinion/democrat-republican-electoral-votes.html#commentsContainer https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/06/opinion/democrat-republic...

viro 6y ago
during an active insurrection it is. or did you miss the planned attacks on the 17th
- the_drunkard 6y ago
  > during an active insurrection it is. or did you miss the planned attacks on the 17th sorry, but participating in the democratic process is not sedition. and i would hope we never allow mobs to dictate our participation in the democratic process. whether it involves tallying (or objecting to) electoral votes or confirming a supreme court justice.
  - whateveracct 6y ago
    right but the mob's goal was to dictate our democratic processes. their entire stated goal was to get Trump confirmed as President despite the vote etc
    - CivBase 6y ago
      Got it. Any and all concerns about the election process should be withheld until further notice. Which is when, exactly? I do not believe widespread election fraud invalidated the results of the 2020 election. I condemn anyone who participated in or advocated for the violence and other illegal behavior at the capitol last Wednesday. But I also have many criticisms the US election system. When am I allowed to discuss them without "inciting violence"? It has been five days now. The people involved in that riot are long gone.
      - the_drunkard 6y ago
        > But I also have many criticisms the US election system. When am I allowed to discuss them without "inciting violence"? that's exactly my point. we should never allow a mob to influence our democracy; whether it is confirming a new president or a supreme court justice. and objecting to the election procedures within a certain state is very much part of our democracy.
      - tpoacher 6y ago
        > When am I allowed to discuss them without "inciting violence"? Next election. Depending on who gets elected.
      - Craighead 6y ago
        The people involved in the act of sedition are being arrested
  - Gibbon1 6y ago
    No but encouraging and egging on people attempting to overthrow the government is sedition. That's why he's being kicked. Facebook also does a good job of allowing people to pretend their private messages are actually private when they are not. You can bet Facebook took a hard look at his 'private' communications.
- tastygreenapple 6y ago
  wasn't there an active insurrection in 2016 as well? The Obama admin was trying to entrap members of the Trump team and people rioted during the inaguration.
- n00bsaretheb3st 6y ago
  I wonder if facebook includes the people protesting in hong kong against the gov as "insurrection" or venezuela or the arab spring. OR is daddy zucc gna tell us which government you can rebel against and which you can't.
unethical_ban 6y ago
In that same article, explicitly and then in the comments, is the note that the referenced objections were not done with actual intent or likelihood of something happening, and was not done at the same time as the leader of the losing party encouraging people for the last two months that they'd been cheated.
- drak0n1c 6y ago
  Sometimes the principle is what matters, not extenuating circumstances.

viro 6y ago

during an active insurrection it is. or did you miss the planned attacks on the 17th

the_drunkard 6y ago
> during an active insurrection it is. or did you miss the planned attacks on the 17th sorry, but participating in the democratic process is not sedition. and i would hope we never allow mobs to dictate our participation in the democratic process. whether it involves tallying (or objecting to) electoral votes or confirming a supreme court justice.
- whateveracct 6y ago
  right but the mob's goal was to dictate our democratic processes. their entire stated goal was to get Trump confirmed as President despite the vote etc
  - CivBase 6y ago
    Got it. Any and all concerns about the election process should be withheld until further notice. Which is when, exactly? I do not believe widespread election fraud invalidated the results of the 2020 election. I condemn anyone who participated in or advocated for the violence and other illegal behavior at the capitol last Wednesday. But I also have many criticisms the US election system. When am I allowed to discuss them without "inciting violence"? It has been five days now. The people involved in that riot are long gone.
    - the_drunkard 6y ago
      > But I also have many criticisms the US election system. When am I allowed to discuss them without "inciting violence"? that's exactly my point. we should never allow a mob to influence our democracy; whether it is confirming a new president or a supreme court justice. and objecting to the election procedures within a certain state is very much part of our democracy.
    - tpoacher 6y ago
      > When am I allowed to discuss them without "inciting violence"? Next election. Depending on who gets elected.
    - Craighead 6y ago
      The people involved in the act of sedition are being arrested
- Gibbon1 6y ago
  No but encouraging and egging on people attempting to overthrow the government is sedition. That's why he's being kicked. Facebook also does a good job of allowing people to pretend their private messages are actually private when they are not. You can bet Facebook took a hard look at his 'private' communications.
tastygreenapple 6y ago
wasn't there an active insurrection in 2016 as well? The Obama admin was trying to entrap members of the Trump team and people rioted during the inaguration.
n00bsaretheb3st 6y ago
I wonder if facebook includes the people protesting in hong kong against the gov as "insurrection" or venezuela or the arab spring. OR is daddy zucc gna tell us which government you can rebel against and which you can't.

unethical_ban 6y ago

In that same article, explicitly and then in the comments, is the note that the referenced objections were not done with actual intent or likelihood of something happening, and was not done at the same time as the leader of the losing party encouraging people for the last two months that they'd been cheated.

drak0n1c 6y ago
Sometimes the principle is what matters, not extenuating circumstances.