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The best argument against this is that it means your data will potentially end up splatted across even more more different servers controlled by various unaccou

The best argument against this is that it means your data will potentially end up splatted across even more more different servers controlled by various unaccountable parties.

fsflover 6y ago
How? Your data will only be on server(s) which you choose. I did not suggest that everyone can download everyone's data.
- ForHackernews 6y ago
  If I want to chat and share posts with 3 friends who use 3 different federated nodes, my details end up on all 3 of those nodes. Consider email as an example of a federated network: My name, email address, and text of my emails exist today on hundreds (thousands?) of different servers. If I decided I want to "delete" my name from the global email network, that's close to impossible. The same would be true of a federated social network, but with a more intrusive and personal set of data. Users will not understand that they cannot delete their own mastodon toots (or whatever it calls them).
  - fsflover 6y ago
    > If I want to chat and share posts with 3 friends who use 3 different federated nodes, my details end up on all 3 of those nodes. This is not how federation works. You can talk to any other node without having an account there. Sure, your private messages may be delivered to your friends' nodes, but is this a big problem? Toots are public by design. Everyone understands that and it has nothing to do with privacy.
    - ForHackernews 6y ago
      > Sure, your private messages may be delivered to your friends' nodes, but is this a big problem? It kinda depends on the content of those messages, doesn't it? In the context of this OP, if my messages are organising a genocide then yes it might be a pretty fricking big problem. > Toots are public by design. Everyone understands that and it has nothing to do with privacy. Says you. Most users will have been accustomed to centralized services where it is possible to delete a tweet and have it gone, unless somebody else has gone to special effort to archive it or screenshot or what-have-you.

The best argument against this is that it means your data will potentially end up splatted across even more more different servers controlled by various unaccountable parties.

fsflover 6y ago

How? Your data will only be on server(s) which you choose. I did not suggest that everyone can download everyone's data.

ForHackernews 6y ago
If I want to chat and share posts with 3 friends who use 3 different federated nodes, my details end up on all 3 of those nodes. Consider email as an example of a federated network: My name, email address, and text of my emails exist today on hundreds (thousands?) of different servers. If I decided I want to "delete" my name from the global email network, that's close to impossible. The same would be true of a federated social network, but with a more intrusive and personal set of data. Users will not understand that they cannot delete their own mastodon toots (or whatever it calls them).
- fsflover 6y ago
  > If I want to chat and share posts with 3 friends who use 3 different federated nodes, my details end up on all 3 of those nodes. This is not how federation works. You can talk to any other node without having an account there. Sure, your private messages may be delivered to your friends' nodes, but is this a big problem? Toots are public by design. Everyone understands that and it has nothing to do with privacy.
  - ForHackernews 6y ago
    > Sure, your private messages may be delivered to your friends' nodes, but is this a big problem? It kinda depends on the content of those messages, doesn't it? In the context of this OP, if my messages are organising a genocide then yes it might be a pretty fricking big problem. > Toots are public by design. Everyone understands that and it has nothing to do with privacy. Says you. Most users will have been accustomed to centralized services where it is possible to delete a tweet and have it gone, unless somebody else has gone to special effort to archive it or screenshot or what-have-you.