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There are lots of horrible things on Parler from what I’ve seen (I don’t have an account, I’ve just seen screen shots). The most egregious example was the post

There are lots of horrible things on Parler from what I’ve seen (I don’t have an account, I’ve just seen screen shots). The most egregious example was the post from Trump attorney Lin Wood calling for Pence to be executed by firing squad. It was up for days, and only taken down when this all blew up.

eznzt 6y ago
I find it hard to understand why that should not be allowed to be said. I know it's in extremely bad taste, but still...
- NoSorryCannot 6y ago
  You're wondering why making threats of violence against a person or trying to rally a credible threat against them isn't permitted under the first?
  - eznzt 6y ago
    I would have to see the exact text, but the way it was mentioned up in this thread it didn't sound like either of those.
    - a_conservative 6y ago
      He didn't call for him to be executed: https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/01/02/06/37509512-9105875-image-a-11_1609569839246.jpg https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/01/02/06/37509512-9105875-...
      - eznzt 6y ago
        Ah, so it's a load of bullshit. As I imagined.
      - marz0 6y ago
        What is he proposing then? https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ErGzmjYWMAI_POS?format=jpg&name=large https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ErGzmjYWMAI_POS?format=jpg&name=...
        a_conservative 6y ago
        Thanks for sharing that, I hadn't seen that post. I can see how you would take it that way, but honestly people have been saying a lot worse on the internet for a long time now. I believe he's saying that we should have military tribunals to try and execute traitors, but of course those words were implied, not explicitly said. I agree it's inflammatory for sure, but after all the crap I've seen on the internet, this is hardly a post to justify removing the entire platform this was posted on.
        PopsiclePete 6y ago
        And after the tribunals are setup and operational and people are getting executed - would it be enough then? Or not quite yet still? What's your "this is enough, guys" point? Do you have one? We got mighty close this time, didn't we? Do we need to get "closer"? Should Nancy Pelosi have had to be captured by some "patriot" with zip-ties and an AR-15?
        a_conservative 6y ago
        No, you misunderstand. I don't want a mob to hold a tribunal. I want a real military tribunal that follows all procedures, exposes their crimes and then punishes them. The masses long for justice while the elite and elite-wannabes try to convince themselves that the system isn't completely broken.
        Jochim 6y ago
        > I want a real military tribunal that follows all procedures, exposes their crimes and then punishes them. Exposes which crimes exactly? Don't tribunals normally take place after you've got a good idea of what the crimes are? > The masses long for justice while the elite and elite-wannabes try to convince themselves that the system isn't completely broken. The multi-millionaire son of a multi-millionaire, truly the only person that knows the hardships put upon everyday americans. It's such a shame our hero was hoodwinked by all those nasty corrupt people who just happened to run his campaign, legal team and otherwise generally surround him...
  - vetinari 6y ago
    It does neither incite or produce imminent lawless action, nor likely to incite or produce such action. Twitter contains worse.
- pixl97 6y ago
  No, it's a violent call to action in front of an angry mob willing to commit violence.
- myko 6y ago
  Well, it's illegal in the US for one: https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/871 https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/871 There's also the fact that an angry mob overran the US Capitol while chanting "Hang Mike Pence" as a direct result of Lin and Trump's posts/comments
lambdaphagy 6y ago
I hope no one ever posts a horrible thing like calling for the death of a politician on twitter.
rrose 6y ago
and i think a key point about this particular example is that Lin Wood is a very visible public figure. This wasn't a single crazy comment buried in a long thread that a moderator could have missed. If there was any good-faith effort by Parler to moderate content, it would have caught the Lin Wood rant.
lettergram 6y ago
For reference, this was on Twitter & Parler. Twitter didn't take him down for at least a week. Similarly, I've seen people regularly call for violence on all sides and not be removed from Twitter. The reality is that the moderators are overwhelmed, etc.
- TheSpiceIsLife 6y ago
  Too busy to moderate Trump's inner circle.
- clowd 6y ago
  Twitter, though, at least has moderators, and makes an effort to remove threatening content from its service. The speed and efficacy of Twitter's abuse team is a topic for debate, but they have (and enforce) policy. Parler famously had no such policy, that's why it was so attractive to the insurrectionists. The CEO, even after January 6th, went on record that he didn't feel it was Parler's responsibility to moderate user-generated content at all. Whatever last-minute olive branch they tried extending to AWS regarding a potential future volunteer moderator system obviously wasn't sufficient for Amazon.
  - a_band 6y ago
    Twitter and Facebook took how many years and millions of dollars to scale up a moderation strategy? I guarantee they weren't worrying about moderation at Parler's scale.
- larrywright 6y ago
  Twitter didn't take him down for a week, but they took that post down faster (I think). I regularly report twitter posts that are similar to that - violence mostly. It often takes two or three days, but they do get them taken down.
threeseed 6y ago
Here are some examples that are just as egregious: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ErTzgBxXcAAuTkC?format=jpg&name=small https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ErTzgBxXcAAuTkC?format=jpg&name=... https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ErTzgBuXYAAB4y2?format=jpg&name=small https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ErTzgBuXYAAB4y2?format=jpg&name=... https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ErTzgB3XIAcffGC?format=jpg&name=small https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ErTzgB3XIAcffGC?format=jpg&name=...

eznzt 6y ago

I find it hard to understand why that should not be allowed to be said. I know it's in extremely bad taste, but still...

NoSorryCannot 6y ago
You're wondering why making threats of violence against a person or trying to rally a credible threat against them isn't permitted under the first?
- eznzt 6y ago
  I would have to see the exact text, but the way it was mentioned up in this thread it didn't sound like either of those.
  - a_conservative 6y ago
    He didn't call for him to be executed: https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/01/02/06/37509512-9105875-image-a-11_1609569839246.jpg https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/01/02/06/37509512-9105875-...
    - eznzt 6y ago
      Ah, so it's a load of bullshit. As I imagined.
    - marz0 6y ago
      What is he proposing then? https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ErGzmjYWMAI_POS?format=jpg&name=large https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ErGzmjYWMAI_POS?format=jpg&name=...
      - a_conservative 6y ago
        Thanks for sharing that, I hadn't seen that post. I can see how you would take it that way, but honestly people have been saying a lot worse on the internet for a long time now. I believe he's saying that we should have military tribunals to try and execute traitors, but of course those words were implied, not explicitly said. I agree it's inflammatory for sure, but after all the crap I've seen on the internet, this is hardly a post to justify removing the entire platform this was posted on.
        PopsiclePete 6y ago
        And after the tribunals are setup and operational and people are getting executed - would it be enough then? Or not quite yet still? What's your "this is enough, guys" point? Do you have one? We got mighty close this time, didn't we? Do we need to get "closer"? Should Nancy Pelosi have had to be captured by some "patriot" with zip-ties and an AR-15?
        a_conservative 6y ago
        No, you misunderstand. I don't want a mob to hold a tribunal. I want a real military tribunal that follows all procedures, exposes their crimes and then punishes them. The masses long for justice while the elite and elite-wannabes try to convince themselves that the system isn't completely broken.
        Jochim 6y ago
        > I want a real military tribunal that follows all procedures, exposes their crimes and then punishes them. Exposes which crimes exactly? Don't tribunals normally take place after you've got a good idea of what the crimes are? > The masses long for justice while the elite and elite-wannabes try to convince themselves that the system isn't completely broken. The multi-millionaire son of a multi-millionaire, truly the only person that knows the hardships put upon everyday americans. It's such a shame our hero was hoodwinked by all those nasty corrupt people who just happened to run his campaign, legal team and otherwise generally surround him...
- vetinari 6y ago
  It does neither incite or produce imminent lawless action, nor likely to incite or produce such action. Twitter contains worse.
pixl97 6y ago
No, it's a violent call to action in front of an angry mob willing to commit violence.
myko 6y ago
Well, it's illegal in the US for one: https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/871 https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/871 There's also the fact that an angry mob overran the US Capitol while chanting "Hang Mike Pence" as a direct result of Lin and Trump's posts/comments

lambdaphagy 6y ago

I hope no one ever posts a horrible thing like calling for the death of a politician on twitter.

rrose 6y ago

and i think a key point about this particular example is that Lin Wood is a very visible public figure. This wasn't a single crazy comment buried in a long thread that a moderator could have missed. If there was any good-faith effort by Parler to moderate content, it would have caught the Lin Wood rant.

lettergram 6y ago

For reference, this was on Twitter & Parler. Twitter didn't take him down for at least a week. Similarly, I've seen people regularly call for violence on all sides and not be removed from Twitter. The reality is that the moderators are overwhelmed, etc.

TheSpiceIsLife 6y ago
Too busy to moderate Trump's inner circle.
clowd 6y ago
Twitter, though, at least has moderators, and makes an effort to remove threatening content from its service. The speed and efficacy of Twitter's abuse team is a topic for debate, but they have (and enforce) policy. Parler famously had no such policy, that's why it was so attractive to the insurrectionists. The CEO, even after January 6th, went on record that he didn't feel it was Parler's responsibility to moderate user-generated content at all. Whatever last-minute olive branch they tried extending to AWS regarding a potential future volunteer moderator system obviously wasn't sufficient for Amazon.
- a_band 6y ago
  Twitter and Facebook took how many years and millions of dollars to scale up a moderation strategy? I guarantee they weren't worrying about moderation at Parler's scale.
larrywright 6y ago
Twitter didn't take him down for a week, but they took that post down faster (I think). I regularly report twitter posts that are similar to that - violence mostly. It often takes two or three days, but they do get them taken down.

threeseed 6y ago

Here are some examples that are just as egregious: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ErTzgBxXcAAuTkC?format=jpg&name=small https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ErTzgBxXcAAuTkC?format=jpg&name=... https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ErTzgBuXYAAB4y2?format=jpg&name=small https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ErTzgBuXYAAB4y2?format=jpg&name=... https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ErTzgB3XIAcffGC?format=jpg&name=small https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ErTzgB3XIAcffGC?format=jpg&name=...