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I get that it is a kind of contradiction to claim being about free-speech, but to see their point, when free=speech and they as the primary advocates for free-s

I get that it is a kind of contradiction to claim being about free-speech, but to see their point, when free=speech and they as the primary advocates for free-speech are under clear and direct and persistent and unrelenting assault of their speech and thought, I can see how they would take on practical positions to protect their community from infiltrators and subversives as they are struggling to survive under relentless abuse of power. What you should realize, and this is a general fact, is that when any group is withering under constant barrage and assault by what is really objectively an evil agenda of oppression (freedom of expression is in fact a human right under the Universal Declaration of Human Rights), regardless of what you believe or say, they do not have the luxury of high moral consistency while facing free-speech eradication by an evil regime hell bent on controlling all aspects of humanity. And kid yourself not, what the tech companies are doing to suppress free speech is not only purely and objectively evil, it is a threat to the US Constitution, which is the lynchpin and capstone for freedom and liberties all over the world too. If the American Constitution/values of free speech falter as they seem to be, I pity all the poor souls around the world who have lived under an umbrella of the US Constitution who will suffer immensely more and in deafening silence of globe dominating regime censorship. There will be no people to take up the cause, e.g., of the Uighurs if the US regime wants to make nice with the Chinese regime for whatever reason. There will be no reporting of atrocities or even knowledge of the lies that justified the illegal and immoral invasion of Iraq and the killing of hundreds of thousands of Iraqis defending their hime against an evil invasion. There will be what the party wants … ney, demands you believe. Please see the book 1984 for reference. Many say they have read it, I seriously wonder if that is true.

rootusrootus 6y ago
> protect their community from infiltrators and subversives They see anybody who doesn't toe the Trump line as a brigader from r/politics. Everything is a conspiracy. But there are a number of very moderate conservatives that (for whatever reason) continue to call r/conservative their home, and they respond positively when something sane gets posted. I've had a couple great conversations over there with those folks. I just avoid the endless meme threads and other trashy pointless tribal gunk.
- frankfrankfrank 6y ago
  I find it hard to ridicule conservatives for the members that do them significant disservice through all the rather unhealthy obsessive conspiracy stuff because no conspiracy nonsense has been likely more amplified over about 4 years total at a nonstop pace, day in and day out by the propaganda organs of state than the Russian collusion conspiracy used to try to cap Trump at his knees. But let's also not forget that the government clearly does engage in rather evil conspiracies … Iraq WMD, anyone? And there are hundreds more proven conspiracies. What we are ally seeing here is the onset of a dissolution and dissolving of our social and national cohesion. It was a clear and provable risk from immigration and diversity as shown for decades in research after research from evidence all over the globe and history, but her we are. Social cohesion has been replaced by not only disintegration, but also by a destruction of the methods and ideals that unified the USA before. All that I have read and studied on the topic over years, essentially condemns the USA to breaking up absent of increasing levels of control and repression and imposition of a fake kind of unification around hollow ideals and values not shared among the actual people and cultures that now inhabit the the territory of the former USA (a bit of foreshadowing there). I would love to hear theories on how you keep what are essentially distinct colonies of foreign nationals (by ethnicity) across the country in a cohesive jurisdiction like the USA, especially when you have an increasingly and justifiably angered native population that is noticing that the promise of utopia through immigration was a con job to disenfranchise them of what all people of the world would perceive as their birth right, the right to keep what those before us created for those after them. I just don't see it happening without extreme repression, which of course will see escalating reaction that will either end in victory or vanquish, for one side or another.
  - rootusrootus 6y ago
    I feel bad for normal conservatives. They clearly exist, but they're getting quiet because the brand is severely tarnished right now. Then the only people talking are the Trump supporters, and the loop is reinforced.
    - frankfrankfrank 6y ago
supernovae 6y ago
Citation Needed
- frankfrankfrank 6y ago
  Citation for what? What is it you want someone else to tell you to believe instead of using your own mental faculties and logic? Do you want a citation to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights? I am sure you can find that on your own, my friend.
  - supernovae 6y ago
    You proved my point.
swirepe 6y ago
>freedom of expression is in fact a human right under the Universal Declaration of Human Rights What are some other human rights?

rootusrootus 6y ago

> protect their community from infiltrators and subversives They see anybody who doesn't toe the Trump line as a brigader from r/politics. Everything is a conspiracy. But there are a number of very moderate conservatives that (for whatever reason) continue to call r/conservative their home, and they respond positively when something sane gets posted. I've had a couple great conversations over there with those folks. I just avoid the endless meme threads and other trashy pointless tribal gunk.

frankfrankfrank 6y ago
I find it hard to ridicule conservatives for the members that do them significant disservice through all the rather unhealthy obsessive conspiracy stuff because no conspiracy nonsense has been likely more amplified over about 4 years total at a nonstop pace, day in and day out by the propaganda organs of state than the Russian collusion conspiracy used to try to cap Trump at his knees. But let's also not forget that the government clearly does engage in rather evil conspiracies … Iraq WMD, anyone? And there are hundreds more proven conspiracies. What we are ally seeing here is the onset of a dissolution and dissolving of our social and national cohesion. It was a clear and provable risk from immigration and diversity as shown for decades in research after research from evidence all over the globe and history, but her we are. Social cohesion has been replaced by not only disintegration, but also by a destruction of the methods and ideals that unified the USA before. All that I have read and studied on the topic over years, essentially condemns the USA to breaking up absent of increasing levels of control and repression and imposition of a fake kind of unification around hollow ideals and values not shared among the actual people and cultures that now inhabit the the territory of the former USA (a bit of foreshadowing there). I would love to hear theories on how you keep what are essentially distinct colonies of foreign nationals (by ethnicity) across the country in a cohesive jurisdiction like the USA, especially when you have an increasingly and justifiably angered native population that is noticing that the promise of utopia through immigration was a con job to disenfranchise them of what all people of the world would perceive as their birth right, the right to keep what those before us created for those after them. I just don't see it happening without extreme repression, which of course will see escalating reaction that will either end in victory or vanquish, for one side or another.
- rootusrootus 6y ago
  I feel bad for normal conservatives. They clearly exist, but they're getting quiet because the brand is severely tarnished right now. Then the only people talking are the Trump supporters, and the loop is reinforced.
  - frankfrankfrank 6y ago

supernovae 6y ago

Citation Needed

frankfrankfrank 6y ago
Citation for what? What is it you want someone else to tell you to believe instead of using your own mental faculties and logic? Do you want a citation to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights? I am sure you can find that on your own, my friend.
- supernovae 6y ago
  You proved my point.

swirepe 6y ago

>freedom of expression is in fact a human right under the Universal Declaration of Human Rights What are some other human rights?