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how is it indicative of collusion? Do you have evidence that they communicated with each other? If anything, the domino-like behavior (Google Play -> Apple ult

by hctaw 6y ago

how is it indicative of collusion? Do you have evidence that they communicated with each other? If anything, the domino-like behavior (Google Play -> Apple ultimatum, AWS pulling support) suggests no one colluded about anything.

chrisco255 6y ago
Did you watch the most recent Zuckerberg testimony in Congress? There, Senator Hawley grilled Zuckerberg about a communication platform, SENTRA, in which Twitter, Google, Facebook, absolutely are known to collaborate on who to ban and what to ban. He shows a screenshot in the hearing to Zuckerberg, and Mark is caught weaseling in his chair about it. That is collusion. https://rumble.com/vbru89-republican-senator-grills-zuckerberg-on-facebook-google-and-twitter-collabo.html https://rumble.com/vbru89-republican-senator-grills-zuckerbe...
- tptacek 6y ago
  "Collusion" isn't generally a thing. Providers can lawfully cooperate for all sorts of reasons; the exceptions are the cases they can't, not the cases they can. For instance, providers could run private channels for banning users that spread CSAM (and I'd be surprised if they didn't).
  - chrisco255 6y ago
    And in doing so, they would be forming a centralized information cartel. And the opportunities for abuse of such systems is now more than apparent. They have effectively booted a Twitter competitor off the internet, working in concert. If that's not legal cause for antitrust action, then antitrust is no longer a thing.
    - tptacek 6y ago
      Do you have an argument that would be persuasive to people who don't believe that coordinated efforts to eliminate CSAM constitute antitrust violations?
- wyldfire 6y ago
  I hardly think Hawley is a model of a trustworthy source these days.
  - chrisco255 6y ago
    I would. He showed the screenshot and Zuckerberg didn't deny it. At any rate, I wouldn't consider Zuckerberg a trustworthy source these days.
    - joshstrange 6y ago
      You are twisting words. Zuckerberg said he had no knowledge of a tool called that but couldn't say for sure that it didn't exist since he doesn't always know the names of all the internal tools they have. The CEO of my company doesn't know the internal names for tons of stuff we do, this isn't surprising. Also it's not proven to exist.
- hctaw 6y ago
  I don't really believe a single thing that comes out of Josh Hawley's mouth. But if I did, that doesn't point to any kind of "collusion" over Parler, since those hearings occurred months ago.
- coderintherye 6y ago
  You are confused, Centra is an internal Facebook tool for monitoring users. They separately discussed a tool for coordination on hashtags that is not Centra. https://www.arlingtoncardinal.com/2020/11/facebook-centra-surprise-as-facebook-ceo-mark-zuckerberg-and-twitter-ceo-jack-dorsey-testify-before-senate-judiciary-committee/ https://www.arlingtoncardinal.com/2020/11/facebook-centra-su...
- joshstrange 6y ago
  Centra* (according to Hawley [0]) and there appears to be absolutely no proof this exists other than the word of a senator that pushed a false narrative that this election was stolen, his name is mud. [0] https://www.hawley.senate.gov/hawley-reveals-existence-coordination-tool-used-big-tech-firms-censor-users-facebook-tool-covertly https://www.hawley.senate.gov/hawley-reveals-existence-coord...

by hctaw 6y ago

chrisco255 6y ago

Did you watch the most recent Zuckerberg testimony in Congress? There, Senator Hawley grilled Zuckerberg about a communication platform, SENTRA, in which Twitter, Google, Facebook, absolutely are known to collaborate on who to ban and what to ban. He shows a screenshot in the hearing to Zuckerberg, and Mark is caught weaseling in his chair about it. That is collusion. https://rumble.com/vbru89-republican-senator-grills-zuckerberg-on-facebook-google-and-twitter-collabo.html https://rumble.com/vbru89-republican-senator-grills-zuckerbe...

tptacek 6y ago
"Collusion" isn't generally a thing. Providers can lawfully cooperate for all sorts of reasons; the exceptions are the cases they can't, not the cases they can. For instance, providers could run private channels for banning users that spread CSAM (and I'd be surprised if they didn't).
- chrisco255 6y ago
  And in doing so, they would be forming a centralized information cartel. And the opportunities for abuse of such systems is now more than apparent. They have effectively booted a Twitter competitor off the internet, working in concert. If that's not legal cause for antitrust action, then antitrust is no longer a thing.
  - tptacek 6y ago
    Do you have an argument that would be persuasive to people who don't believe that coordinated efforts to eliminate CSAM constitute antitrust violations?
wyldfire 6y ago
I hardly think Hawley is a model of a trustworthy source these days.
- chrisco255 6y ago
  I would. He showed the screenshot and Zuckerberg didn't deny it. At any rate, I wouldn't consider Zuckerberg a trustworthy source these days.
  - joshstrange 6y ago
    You are twisting words. Zuckerberg said he had no knowledge of a tool called that but couldn't say for sure that it didn't exist since he doesn't always know the names of all the internal tools they have. The CEO of my company doesn't know the internal names for tons of stuff we do, this isn't surprising. Also it's not proven to exist.
hctaw 6y ago
I don't really believe a single thing that comes out of Josh Hawley's mouth. But if I did, that doesn't point to any kind of "collusion" over Parler, since those hearings occurred months ago.
coderintherye 6y ago
You are confused, Centra is an internal Facebook tool for monitoring users. They separately discussed a tool for coordination on hashtags that is not Centra. https://www.arlingtoncardinal.com/2020/11/facebook-centra-surprise-as-facebook-ceo-mark-zuckerberg-and-twitter-ceo-jack-dorsey-testify-before-senate-judiciary-committee/ https://www.arlingtoncardinal.com/2020/11/facebook-centra-su...
joshstrange 6y ago
Centra* (according to Hawley [0]) and there appears to be absolutely no proof this exists other than the word of a senator that pushed a false narrative that this election was stolen, his name is mud. [0] https://www.hawley.senate.gov/hawley-reveals-existence-coordination-tool-used-big-tech-firms-censor-users-facebook-tool-covertly https://www.hawley.senate.gov/hawley-reveals-existence-coord...