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I'm basing my statement on the fact that I see images and videos of the capitol building looted and vandalized by a group of like-minded people that appear to b

I'm basing my statement on the fact that I see images and videos of the capitol building looted and vandalized by a group of like-minded people that appear to be outraged by the same thing. Does this activity not meet the threshold for ransacking? The source isn't some random headline, I watched in real time (as many others did) as people self-reported the vandalization as it happened on social media. So no, your notion that I am puppeting some kind of perspective fed to me by media is false. > There is so much more to this story, so many obvious (to me) questions OK, again, I'll ask: what's your alternate perspective that is so obvious to you? Can you answer this without deflecting in your response?

mistermann 6y ago
Did the question ever occur to you why security was so lax? This highly visible debacle, who does it serve politically?
- debaserab2 6y ago
  I can think of a number of ways it could have potentially served either side, actually, but I'm not really one to make the leap into conspiracy land until more facts are known. I'm still not sure how MSM should have changed their initial reporting of this story. It was a riot, plain and simple, and that's how most outlets reported it.
  - mistermann 6y ago
    It's scary that paying simple attention to the complexity of reality is now considered "leaping into conspiracy land", and that so many people are just fine with the media guessing at what is true, and asserting it as fact (which is then absorbed into people's minds, becoming the fabric of reality). > It was a riot, plain and simple, and that's how most outlets reported it. a) This is an incredibly simplistic description of what it really was (which is unknown in the entirety, and will remain that way). b) That is but one small portion of how they reported it. Relevant: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25777278 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25777278
    - debaserab2 6y ago
      > It's scary that paying simple attention to the complexity of reality is now considered "leaping into conspiracy land", and that so many people are just fine with the media guessing at what is true, and asserting it as fact (which is then absorbed into people's minds, becoming the fabric of reality). We're now 5 responses deep into this post and you still haven't put to words what it is you're suggesting that is so obvious to you. Please, please explain what is so obvious that us sheep seem to simply be missing.
      - mistermann 6y ago
        Reality is complex. The media describes reality as if it is simple (and so too, does the public). Their descriptions also regularly include speculation stated as fact, if not assertions that are objectively false. "Most" people seem to not only be unconcerned by this, but will passionately defend it - including smart people. Or, perhaps they don't notice any of it. But what should one think when it is pointed out to them, and they still seem unwilling to even consider the idea? You and I surely have differences in our political beliefs, but I doubt we differ much on desired outcomes. And yet, society seems to be in a state where we have become pitted against each other in some way, rather than being allies in finding a way out of this mess. This phenomenon is what I find interesting, among many other things. I have no enemies (from my side of the equation), only people who are not yet friends. Why is the world the way it is? Maybe it's just me, but do things not seem "a bit off" right now? And in your estimation, does our collective response seem anywhere near optimal?

mistermann 6y ago

Did the question ever occur to you why security was so lax? This highly visible debacle, who does it serve politically?

debaserab2 6y ago
I can think of a number of ways it could have potentially served either side, actually, but I'm not really one to make the leap into conspiracy land until more facts are known. I'm still not sure how MSM should have changed their initial reporting of this story. It was a riot, plain and simple, and that's how most outlets reported it.
- mistermann 6y ago
  It's scary that paying simple attention to the complexity of reality is now considered "leaping into conspiracy land", and that so many people are just fine with the media guessing at what is true, and asserting it as fact (which is then absorbed into people's minds, becoming the fabric of reality). > It was a riot, plain and simple, and that's how most outlets reported it. a) This is an incredibly simplistic description of what it really was (which is unknown in the entirety, and will remain that way). b) That is but one small portion of how they reported it. Relevant: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25777278 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25777278
  - debaserab2 6y ago
    > It's scary that paying simple attention to the complexity of reality is now considered "leaping into conspiracy land", and that so many people are just fine with the media guessing at what is true, and asserting it as fact (which is then absorbed into people's minds, becoming the fabric of reality). We're now 5 responses deep into this post and you still haven't put to words what it is you're suggesting that is so obvious to you. Please, please explain what is so obvious that us sheep seem to simply be missing.
    - mistermann 6y ago
      Reality is complex. The media describes reality as if it is simple (and so too, does the public). Their descriptions also regularly include speculation stated as fact, if not assertions that are objectively false. "Most" people seem to not only be unconcerned by this, but will passionately defend it - including smart people. Or, perhaps they don't notice any of it. But what should one think when it is pointed out to them, and they still seem unwilling to even consider the idea? You and I surely have differences in our political beliefs, but I doubt we differ much on desired outcomes. And yet, society seems to be in a state where we have become pitted against each other in some way, rather than being allies in finding a way out of this mess. This phenomenon is what I find interesting, among many other things. I have no enemies (from my side of the equation), only people who are not yet friends. Why is the world the way it is? Maybe it's just me, but do things not seem "a bit off" right now? And in your estimation, does our collective response seem anywhere near optimal?