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> Do you know how many of the people arrested in connection with the Capitol invasion were active users of Parler? Zero. The planning was largely done on Facebo

> Do you know how many of the people arrested in connection with the Capitol invasion were active users of Parler? Zero. The planning was largely done on Facebook. This is all a bullshit pretext for silencing competitors on ideological grounds: just the start. If this turns out to be true, I think it's a pretty big story. Virtually every conversation that has taken place on HN has asserted that the "insurrection was planned on Parler", and that claim went largely unchallenged. So, can anyone find a counterexample? GWU has a comprehensive list of those charged: https://extremism.gwu.edu/Capitol-Hill-Cases https://extremism.gwu.edu/Capitol-Hill-Cases The archives of Parler are coming: https://twitter.com/donk_enby/status/1348213666257252353 https://twitter.com/donk_enby/status/1348213666257252353

slightlytyler 6y ago
I think we can confidently say that number is above zero and to even propose that it is zero throws enormous doubt on these opinions. Was Parler the primary breeding ground for these seditious activities? Unclear. Did it play a role as did the Facebook groups? Almost certainly.
- mc32 6y ago
  They key phrase is “arrested in connection... Capitol... active users of Parler”
tadfisher 6y ago
Similarly, the claim that Parler was a "platform for free speech" has also gone unchallenged. Since the data breach it's come to light that new users were shadowbanned by default until approved by moderators; whether that approval hinged on posting right-wing groupthink or not, that should give one pause before parroting the claim. https://twitter.com/donk_enby/status/1347939939120533506 https://twitter.com/donk_enby/status/1347939939120533506
- Miner49er 6y ago
  It's been known that Parler wasn't a "platform for free speech" though. The CEO stated he would ban antifa and stuff, and they banned parody accounts and such. It was clearly never for true free speech, and was always just a right-wing echo chamber. https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20200630/23525844821/parler-speedruns-content-moderation-learning-curve-goes-we-allow-everything-to-were-good-censors-days.shtml https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20200630/23525844821/parle... The shadowban info is new though (I think?) and interesting.
  - Veen 6y ago
    > The CEO stated he would ban antifa So they were moderating the platform to remove extremists?
- throwaway894345 6y ago
  I've never not heard Parler's "free speech" claim challenged, at least among the media or other credentialed sources. Critically though, TFA's argument doesn't seem to hinge on whether or not Parler is authentically devoted to free speech.
Imnimo 6y ago
Arrested in connection feels like a weird goalpost. There have been a few dozen arrests, but obviously there were many more people involved. Why do I care only about the specific subset of people who have been arrested so far?
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tolbish 6y ago
> Virtually every conversation that has taken place on HN has asserted that the "insurrection was planned on Parler" Has that really been the claim? My understanding is that Parler had no intention of moderating the insurrection, as Facebook, Twitter, etc have started doing. In fact, that is exactly what Apple did, as an example: Apple gave them a chance to moderate, Parler did not comply, so Apple removed them.
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dragonwriter 6y ago
> Virtually every conversation that has taken place on HN has asserted that the "insurrection was planned on Parler", No, it hasn't. > and that claim went largely unchallenged. On the contrary virtually every conversation on the issue on HN that has even mentioned Parler has prominently included claims that Parler was less significant than other social media platforms in the planning.
trianglem 6y ago
Read the responses to that. Rather immediately debunked. Greenwald is a contrarian that did not do his research.

slightlytyler 6y ago

I think we can confidently say that number is above zero and to even propose that it is zero throws enormous doubt on these opinions. Was Parler the primary breeding ground for these seditious activities? Unclear. Did it play a role as did the Facebook groups? Almost certainly.

mc32 6y ago
They key phrase is “arrested in connection... Capitol... active users of Parler”

tadfisher 6y ago

Similarly, the claim that Parler was a "platform for free speech" has also gone unchallenged. Since the data breach it's come to light that new users were shadowbanned by default until approved by moderators; whether that approval hinged on posting right-wing groupthink or not, that should give one pause before parroting the claim. https://twitter.com/donk_enby/status/1347939939120533506 https://twitter.com/donk_enby/status/1347939939120533506

Miner49er 6y ago
It's been known that Parler wasn't a "platform for free speech" though. The CEO stated he would ban antifa and stuff, and they banned parody accounts and such. It was clearly never for true free speech, and was always just a right-wing echo chamber. https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20200630/23525844821/parler-speedruns-content-moderation-learning-curve-goes-we-allow-everything-to-were-good-censors-days.shtml https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20200630/23525844821/parle... The shadowban info is new though (I think?) and interesting.
- Veen 6y ago
  > The CEO stated he would ban antifa So they were moderating the platform to remove extremists?
throwaway894345 6y ago
I've never not heard Parler's "free speech" claim challenged, at least among the media or other credentialed sources. Critically though, TFA's argument doesn't seem to hinge on whether or not Parler is authentically devoted to free speech.

Imnimo 6y ago

Arrested in connection feels like a weird goalpost. There have been a few dozen arrests, but obviously there were many more people involved. Why do I care only about the specific subset of people who have been arrested so far?

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tolbish 6y ago

> Virtually every conversation that has taken place on HN has asserted that the "insurrection was planned on Parler" Has that really been the claim? My understanding is that Parler had no intention of moderating the insurrection, as Facebook, Twitter, etc have started doing. In fact, that is exactly what Apple did, as an example: Apple gave them a chance to moderate, Parler did not comply, so Apple removed them.

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dragonwriter 6y ago

> Virtually every conversation that has taken place on HN has asserted that the "insurrection was planned on Parler", No, it hasn't. > and that claim went largely unchallenged. On the contrary virtually every conversation on the issue on HN that has even mentioned Parler has prominently included claims that Parler was less significant than other social media platforms in the planning.

trianglem 6y ago

Read the responses to that. Rather immediately debunked. Greenwald is a contrarian that did not do his research.