5 ms·

Five minutes difference and they could have captured or killed half of congress. Then it becomes martial law time, with Trump retaining power. How close is th

Five minutes difference and they could have captured or killed half of congress. Then it becomes martial law time, with Trump retaining power. How close is that?

_-david-_ 6y ago
They could have just talked to half of congress as well. Do you have any proof they were planning to hurt any members of congress?
- valuearb 6y ago
  Your right. Carrying zip ties, knives, guns and planting pipe bombs is how you start a peaceful dialog. I mean after you beat numerous police officers and murder one.
  - _-david-_ 6y ago
    Can you show me any proof any of them had guns? Also, we don't know who planted the bombs. One person killing a cop doesn't mean the whole group was going to use violence.
    - valuearb 6y ago
      Now you are denying the large number of photos of heavily armed insurrectionists there? And they weren’t stopping their co-“protestors” from beating cops, there were more assaulted. And we know who planted the bombs, they already arrested multiple individuals who were armed, had pipe bombs or Molotov cocktails and who were photographed at the building.
      - _-david-_ 6y ago
        First, I am not denying they were armed with various weapons, but asking about guns that was claimed. I agree that people who attacked cops and watched it happen were willing to do violence. They should be in jail. They appear to be a minority of the rioters. That is all I was trying to say. There was a van that had some molotov cocktails and bombs. These appear to belong to the rioters. I am talking about the bombs placed at the capital and at the RNC headquarters. Just because someone has a bomb doesn't mean they planted bombs nearby. I don't like assuming things like that.
- giantrobot 6y ago
  They were chanting about hanging Mike Pence and several were carrying flexicuffs. But I'm sure they were just planning to peacefully air their grievances.
  - _-david-_ 6y ago
    I think it was hyperbolic about Pence betraying Trump. I could be wrong, but I don't think there is any proof that any of them were planning on hurting congress.
    - giantrobot 6y ago
      They were literally chanting "Where's Pelosi" and "Where's Pence". They were carrying flexicuffs. They made a beeline for the Speaker and Majority Whip's unmarked offices. They broke windows, barricades, and one of them got shot trying to enter a hallway not a minute before was filled with Congresspeople. What in the hell do you think would have happened if they had caught up to any member of Congress? Seriously. Even if you foolishly assume the most charitable and peaceful of intentions, the size of the mob and physical violence on display going through the halls of the Capitol should make it painfully obvious that any Democratic member of Congress they happened upon would have ended up seriously injured. The mob beat a cop to death. There's simply no way a rational person could come to the conclusion that the mob wouldn't have injured or killed Congresspeople. If you can't see the mob's intent you're either being willfully obtuse or disastrously ignorant. There's not a charitable middle ground as these people documented themselves during the riot and months leading up to it.
      - _-david-_ 6y ago
        I am not saying that the rioters would not have done violence towards congress people. I am saying I would like to see evidence they were intending to do violence. It is possible most were being hyperbolic with their words. Do you believe that BLM rioters who chanted at politicians and cops and had various weapons intended to murder them? BLM rioters broke through barricades and smashed windows as well. Some BLM rioters killed multiple cops as well. If I saw a BLM riot break into a building with politicians I would hold the same view I hold with these people. They may do violence, but we don't know for sure. When people broke into the Wisconsin capital years ago over act 10 I didn't assume they were going to murder people. I don't like to assume entire groups are going to do violence. When some individuals do violence in a group I don't assume the entire group wants to do violence.

Five minutes difference and they could have captured or killed half of congress. Then it becomes martial law time, with Trump retaining power. How close is that?

_-david-_ 6y ago

They could have just talked to half of congress as well. Do you have any proof they were planning to hurt any members of congress?

valuearb 6y ago
Your right. Carrying zip ties, knives, guns and planting pipe bombs is how you start a peaceful dialog. I mean after you beat numerous police officers and murder one.
- _-david-_ 6y ago
  Can you show me any proof any of them had guns? Also, we don't know who planted the bombs. One person killing a cop doesn't mean the whole group was going to use violence.
  - valuearb 6y ago
    Now you are denying the large number of photos of heavily armed insurrectionists there? And they weren’t stopping their co-“protestors” from beating cops, there were more assaulted. And we know who planted the bombs, they already arrested multiple individuals who were armed, had pipe bombs or Molotov cocktails and who were photographed at the building.
    - _-david-_ 6y ago
      First, I am not denying they were armed with various weapons, but asking about guns that was claimed. I agree that people who attacked cops and watched it happen were willing to do violence. They should be in jail. They appear to be a minority of the rioters. That is all I was trying to say. There was a van that had some molotov cocktails and bombs. These appear to belong to the rioters. I am talking about the bombs placed at the capital and at the RNC headquarters. Just because someone has a bomb doesn't mean they planted bombs nearby. I don't like assuming things like that.
giantrobot 6y ago
They were chanting about hanging Mike Pence and several were carrying flexicuffs. But I'm sure they were just planning to peacefully air their grievances.
- _-david-_ 6y ago
  I think it was hyperbolic about Pence betraying Trump. I could be wrong, but I don't think there is any proof that any of them were planning on hurting congress.
  - giantrobot 6y ago
    They were literally chanting "Where's Pelosi" and "Where's Pence". They were carrying flexicuffs. They made a beeline for the Speaker and Majority Whip's unmarked offices. They broke windows, barricades, and one of them got shot trying to enter a hallway not a minute before was filled with Congresspeople. What in the hell do you think would have happened if they had caught up to any member of Congress? Seriously. Even if you foolishly assume the most charitable and peaceful of intentions, the size of the mob and physical violence on display going through the halls of the Capitol should make it painfully obvious that any Democratic member of Congress they happened upon would have ended up seriously injured. The mob beat a cop to death. There's simply no way a rational person could come to the conclusion that the mob wouldn't have injured or killed Congresspeople. If you can't see the mob's intent you're either being willfully obtuse or disastrously ignorant. There's not a charitable middle ground as these people documented themselves during the riot and months leading up to it.
    - _-david-_ 6y ago
      I am not saying that the rioters would not have done violence towards congress people. I am saying I would like to see evidence they were intending to do violence. It is possible most were being hyperbolic with their words. Do you believe that BLM rioters who chanted at politicians and cops and had various weapons intended to murder them? BLM rioters broke through barricades and smashed windows as well. Some BLM rioters killed multiple cops as well. If I saw a BLM riot break into a building with politicians I would hold the same view I hold with these people. They may do violence, but we don't know for sure. When people broke into the Wisconsin capital years ago over act 10 I didn't assume they were going to murder people. I don't like to assume entire groups are going to do violence. When some individuals do violence in a group I don't assume the entire group wants to do violence.