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Overthrowing the government? Certainly not. But I would not think it unreasonable to say that if the mob had found the actual senate, they would have killed som

Overthrowing the government? Certainly not. But I would not think it unreasonable to say that if the mob had found the actual senate, they would have killed some of them. Let's not construct artificial goal posts about what is utterly and extremely beyond the point of acceptable behavior. They killed a cop with a fire extinguisher. I have no reason to believe they wouldn't swing weapons at Democrat political leaders. Or even Republican political leaders.

AugNoggin 6y ago
Created an account to reply: "Exactly". When I read other comments expounding on how close we came to a coup, I can't help but roll my eyes as memories of being stuck in Egypt at the beginning of 2011 surface again. It's tough to not go on a rant about the order of magnitude of violence, uncertainty, fear, etc. between what happened with the violent nuts at the capital and a coup. Not to say that the safety and/or lives of some political leaders weren't at risk, but once you've huddled in a dark apartment while a true overthrow is in play, you'll have no problem distinguishing between the two.
Fronzie 6y ago
They chanted 'hang mike pence', so yeah, also republican leaders.
mywittyname 6y ago
Also, these people knew exactly how to find the offices of Senators Clybourn and Pelosi. Apparently Pelosi's office is unmarked, nondescript, and pretty well hidden down a maze of offices. And Clybourn has two offices, a "public" one, with his name tag on it that he rarely uses, and his official one, which is obscured in a manner similar to that of Pelosi's. Attackers knew which one to choose. Some are suggesting that this indicates support from someone with insider knowledge of the Capitol. Then there's the whole topic of Boebert and her obsession with carrying a gun around Congress in the days leading up to the event then tweeting their locations live during the incident. It looks like telegraphing in hindsight; like she knew what was going down.
- TigeriusKirk 6y ago
  The capitol building itself doesn't have that many offices when you get right down to it. Just wandering around and stumbling across Pelosi's office is quite plausible.
  - mywittyname 6y ago
    I mean, I've not been there, but according to Congresspeople affected, they feel that it would be impossible for someone unfamiliar with the building to stumble upon their offices. Especially since even members who've worked at the capitol building often still get lost in the complex. https://www.politico.com/news/2021/01/08/congress-democrats-capitol-riot-inside-job-456725 https://www.politico.com/news/2021/01/08/congress-democrats-... > House Majority Whip Jim Clyburn (D-S.C.) mentioned that looters had found their way to his unmarked, third floor office and stole his iPad. He questioned how they could locate that office but not his clearly marked ceremonial office in Statuary Hall.
    - TigeriusKirk 6y ago
      Let's call it a couple hundred offices in the building itself. There are hundreds of people roaming freely, checking what's behind every door. It would be strange if they didn't come across particular offices.
makomk 6y ago
Three and a bit years ago, someone who'd been radicalized by Facebook actually shot at members of Congress after asking about their party affiliation. This wasn't some hypothetical, it actually happened. Not only was there not this kind of concern about Facebook radicalization back then, the House Minority Leader Pelosi and most of the press outright lied and falsely claimed that the party whose Congressman was in hospital fighting for his life were the ones who had incited the attempted murder of a member of Congress, pointing at the shooting of Gabrielle Giffords. This was almost the exact, precise opposite of reality; that was inspired by a really bizarre personal disagreement with her which had nothing to do with national politics, whereas the shooting of Scalise seems to have been entirely about that. Nonetheless, the entire mainstream establishment pushed this bogus line. Bizarrely, the FBI even concluded Scalise's shooting wasn't politically motivated because the assailant was a wife-beater whose wife had got fed up with him and left him, and everyone in the press went along with it - even though if we applied this principle to domestic terrorists in general, the US probably wouldn't have anyone who counted as a domestic terrorist.

AugNoggin 6y ago

Created an account to reply: "Exactly". When I read other comments expounding on how close we came to a coup, I can't help but roll my eyes as memories of being stuck in Egypt at the beginning of 2011 surface again. It's tough to not go on a rant about the order of magnitude of violence, uncertainty, fear, etc. between what happened with the violent nuts at the capital and a coup. Not to say that the safety and/or lives of some political leaders weren't at risk, but once you've huddled in a dark apartment while a true overthrow is in play, you'll have no problem distinguishing between the two.

Fronzie 6y ago

They chanted 'hang mike pence', so yeah, also republican leaders.

mywittyname 6y ago

Also, these people knew exactly how to find the offices of Senators Clybourn and Pelosi. Apparently Pelosi's office is unmarked, nondescript, and pretty well hidden down a maze of offices. And Clybourn has two offices, a "public" one, with his name tag on it that he rarely uses, and his official one, which is obscured in a manner similar to that of Pelosi's. Attackers knew which one to choose. Some are suggesting that this indicates support from someone with insider knowledge of the Capitol. Then there's the whole topic of Boebert and her obsession with carrying a gun around Congress in the days leading up to the event then tweeting their locations live during the incident. It looks like telegraphing in hindsight; like she knew what was going down.

TigeriusKirk 6y ago
The capitol building itself doesn't have that many offices when you get right down to it. Just wandering around and stumbling across Pelosi's office is quite plausible.
- mywittyname 6y ago
  I mean, I've not been there, but according to Congresspeople affected, they feel that it would be impossible for someone unfamiliar with the building to stumble upon their offices. Especially since even members who've worked at the capitol building often still get lost in the complex. https://www.politico.com/news/2021/01/08/congress-democrats-capitol-riot-inside-job-456725 https://www.politico.com/news/2021/01/08/congress-democrats-... > House Majority Whip Jim Clyburn (D-S.C.) mentioned that looters had found their way to his unmarked, third floor office and stole his iPad. He questioned how they could locate that office but not his clearly marked ceremonial office in Statuary Hall.
  - TigeriusKirk 6y ago
    Let's call it a couple hundred offices in the building itself. There are hundreds of people roaming freely, checking what's behind every door. It would be strange if they didn't come across particular offices.

makomk 6y ago

Three and a bit years ago, someone who'd been radicalized by Facebook actually shot at members of Congress after asking about their party affiliation. This wasn't some hypothetical, it actually happened. Not only was there not this kind of concern about Facebook radicalization back then, the House Minority Leader Pelosi and most of the press outright lied and falsely claimed that the party whose Congressman was in hospital fighting for his life were the ones who had incited the attempted murder of a member of Congress, pointing at the shooting of Gabrielle Giffords. This was almost the exact, precise opposite of reality; that was inspired by a really bizarre personal disagreement with her which had nothing to do with national politics, whereas the shooting of Scalise seems to have been entirely about that. Nonetheless, the entire mainstream establishment pushed this bogus line. Bizarrely, the FBI even concluded Scalise's shooting wasn't politically motivated because the assailant was a wife-beater whose wife had got fed up with him and left him, and everyone in the press went along with it - even though if we applied this principle to domestic terrorists in general, the US probably wouldn't have anyone who counted as a domestic terrorist.