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I don't think data engineers are paid less than software engineers.

darth_avocado 6y ago
They are. I should know. I've worked as one for years including big tech companies. For e.g. FB has a lower pay than SWE, lower RSUs etc. and you can only get SWE pay if you transition into one, and that requires you to go through an interview process internally.
- red_hare 6y ago
  That's totally contrary to my experience where Data Engineers are considered specialized SWE and paid more. But I've never worked for FB.
  - darth_avocado 6y ago
    You are right in the sense that if you look at average SWE salaries and data engineering salaries, the average salary is higher for data engineers. Because the starting salaries for data engineers tend to be higher because of all the skills that are needed and there's plenty of SWE positions that require more than just a degree in CS. But if you start comparing salaries at maybe a senior level (4-5 yoe+), the salaries for SWEs start becoming a lot more than DEs. And again, I've worked in different companies, big and small, this holds true for all companies that have "Data Engineer" titles. There's of course companies like Netflix where you are a data engineer but still get a SWE title and get paid the same.
    - somurzakov 6y ago
      experienced data engineers should graduate to data architects/ML engineers and this way they can get on par with SWE, pls correct me if I am wrong.
      - darth_avocado 6y ago
        You're right, but most companies do not have those positions formalized and therefore you're expected to do those as part of your job, but not gain the financial benefits. Also, there is a big disparity in these titles and what the duties entail, which inherently again feeds into the problem.
        dragonwriter 6y ago
        > You're right, but most companies do not have those positions formalized and therefore you're expected To move on to somewhere that does, until the laggards get the message.
- dh5 6y ago
  AFAIK a "data engineer" at FB specifically is not quite equivalent to "software engineer specializing in distributed systems" which this article refers to--i.e. there is a totally separate job track for SWEs in general. The "data engineer" job title is definitely not standardized between companies.
tharne 6y ago
In my experience, they get paid more.
- Grimm1 6y ago
  Same here

They are. I should know. I've worked as one for years including big tech companies. For e.g. FB has a lower pay than SWE, lower RSUs etc. and you can only get SWE pay if you transition into one, and that requires you to go through an interview process internally.

red_hare 6y ago
That's totally contrary to my experience where Data Engineers are considered specialized SWE and paid more. But I've never worked for FB.
- darth_avocado 6y ago
  You are right in the sense that if you look at average SWE salaries and data engineering salaries, the average salary is higher for data engineers. Because the starting salaries for data engineers tend to be higher because of all the skills that are needed and there's plenty of SWE positions that require more than just a degree in CS. But if you start comparing salaries at maybe a senior level (4-5 yoe+), the salaries for SWEs start becoming a lot more than DEs. And again, I've worked in different companies, big and small, this holds true for all companies that have "Data Engineer" titles. There's of course companies like Netflix where you are a data engineer but still get a SWE title and get paid the same.
  - somurzakov 6y ago
    experienced data engineers should graduate to data architects/ML engineers and this way they can get on par with SWE, pls correct me if I am wrong.
    - darth_avocado 6y ago
      You're right, but most companies do not have those positions formalized and therefore you're expected to do those as part of your job, but not gain the financial benefits. Also, there is a big disparity in these titles and what the duties entail, which inherently again feeds into the problem.
      - dragonwriter 6y ago
        > You're right, but most companies do not have those positions formalized and therefore you're expected To move on to somewhere that does, until the laggards get the message.
dh5 6y ago
AFAIK a "data engineer" at FB specifically is not quite equivalent to "software engineer specializing in distributed systems" which this article refers to--i.e. there is a totally separate job track for SWEs in general. The "data engineer" job title is definitely not standardized between companies.

tharne 6y ago

In my experience, they get paid more.

Grimm1 6y ago
Same here