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I remember very well as a middle eastern how ISIS was freely allowed to use Twitter, Facebook and Youtube for recruitment and propaganda in 2015 and none of tho

I remember very well as a middle eastern how ISIS was freely allowed to use Twitter, Facebook and Youtube for recruitment and propaganda in 2015 and none of those platforms did anything about it. Also just today this story was on the front page in HN: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/06/technology/myanmar-facebook.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/06/technology/myanmar-facebo... So spare us all the "No hate and violence on our platform" BS. Either you go after all hate and violence or you are just a hypocrite.

Saint_Genet 6y ago
What kind of world are you trying to advocate with comments like these? Just because you soiled the bed in the past you should just keep doing it?
- notsureaboutpg 6y ago
  A world where American lives aren't considered more valuable and "hate" and "inciting violence" is taken seriously when the victims aren't just American politicians.
trsohmers 6y ago
The US government asked Twitter and other social media sites not to ban certain groups of ISIS twitter accounts until they were able to gain enough information... afterwards Twitter had no problem deleting hundreds of thousands of ISIS/other extremist accounts en mass.
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wilsynet 6y ago
I mostly agree with this, that we should do more about hate and violence. And do it more consistently and transparently. To the best of my knowledge, YouTube tries hard to do this. And Twitter has been trying to do a better job at this. And Facebook hasn't been particularly good about doing this at all. If I am completely wrong about this, someone should set the record straight. Perhaps their position is evolving. I'd be curious to revisit the evolution of this problem 365 days from now and take another checkpoint.
valuearb 6y ago
Whataboutism! Whataboutism! The fact that a platform didn’t do the right thing before, doesn’t mean it can’t do it now. What, you came out of the womb with perfect understanding of right from wrong?
- flyinglizard 6y ago
  I don't think Twitter had any difficulty discerning right from wrong when it came to ISIS, even back in 2016.
  - valuearb 6y ago
    Which is why it did the right thing at the request of US intelligence services, and kept them up so they could track and gain info on them.
- hcurtiss 6y ago
  Revealing a political bias evidenced by selective enforcement is not "whataboutism." It's informing motive.
btbuildem 6y ago
Cynical take? I think Twitter and others are acting on advice of counsel, scared they'll be considered an accessory to insurrection. But... horses, barn, door
ccsnags 6y ago
There’s plenty of hate on Twitter. They won’t go after all hate and they don’t care that you think they are hypocrites. Stop trying to convince these people of hypocrisy. They aren’t listening to critics and they lack the ability to see the world outside of the tight frame they were provided. We are all like this most of the time but I find that the moral panics have created situations where online communication is not possible along political lines. Focus on you, not them. People who build ideas from self-reflection are less volatile and not as susceptible to moral panic than those who define themselves by politics. If all people tried as hard to understand each other as they do framing their political opponents as evil, we wouldn’t be in this place. Interesting times.

Saint_Genet 6y ago

What kind of world are you trying to advocate with comments like these? Just because you soiled the bed in the past you should just keep doing it?

notsureaboutpg 6y ago
A world where American lives aren't considered more valuable and "hate" and "inciting violence" is taken seriously when the victims aren't just American politicians.

trsohmers 6y ago

The US government asked Twitter and other social media sites not to ban certain groups of ISIS twitter accounts until they were able to gain enough information... afterwards Twitter had no problem deleting hundreds of thousands of ISIS/other extremist accounts en mass.

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wilsynet 6y ago

I mostly agree with this, that we should do more about hate and violence. And do it more consistently and transparently. To the best of my knowledge, YouTube tries hard to do this. And Twitter has been trying to do a better job at this. And Facebook hasn't been particularly good about doing this at all. If I am completely wrong about this, someone should set the record straight. Perhaps their position is evolving. I'd be curious to revisit the evolution of this problem 365 days from now and take another checkpoint.

valuearb 6y ago

Whataboutism! Whataboutism! The fact that a platform didn’t do the right thing before, doesn’t mean it can’t do it now. What, you came out of the womb with perfect understanding of right from wrong?

flyinglizard 6y ago
I don't think Twitter had any difficulty discerning right from wrong when it came to ISIS, even back in 2016.
- valuearb 6y ago
  Which is why it did the right thing at the request of US intelligence services, and kept them up so they could track and gain info on them.
hcurtiss 6y ago
Revealing a political bias evidenced by selective enforcement is not "whataboutism." It's informing motive.

btbuildem 6y ago

Cynical take? I think Twitter and others are acting on advice of counsel, scared they'll be considered an accessory to insurrection. But... horses, barn, door

ccsnags 6y ago

There’s plenty of hate on Twitter. They won’t go after all hate and they don’t care that you think they are hypocrites. Stop trying to convince these people of hypocrisy. They aren’t listening to critics and they lack the ability to see the world outside of the tight frame they were provided. We are all like this most of the time but I find that the moral panics have created situations where online communication is not possible along political lines. Focus on you, not them. People who build ideas from self-reflection are less volatile and not as susceptible to moral panic than those who define themselves by politics. If all people tried as hard to understand each other as they do framing their political opponents as evil, we wouldn’t be in this place. Interesting times.