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> the biggest attack on the US since 9/11 This is an absolutely disgusting and disgraceful thing to say.

gooseus 6y ago
So you can name a bigger attack on the US that has happened in the last 20 years? Far fewer lives were lost, but the impact and implications of this are on par.
- whimsicalism 6y ago
  They're just not even remotely the same thing. Nothing like 9/11 or the OKC bombing has happened in the last 19 years; full stop. I have lived in DC my whole life, I hate to see this happening in my city, but we can be honest with ourselves.
  - macintux 6y ago
    This could have led to the public execution of the Vice President and speaker of the house. This came close to being a dramatically worse event.
    - whimsicalism 6y ago
      > This could have led to the public execution of the Vice President and speaker of the house. This came close to being a dramatically worse event. I remain unconvinced about how close that actually was, nor have I seen a compelling case that it was that close actually made. Further, before it becomes close to "executing the Vice President", you can bet shots are going to actually be fired. Crowds of rioters behave very differently when gunshots start ringing out.
      - jaywalk 6y ago
        A single, fatal shot was fired for precisely that reason. And even then, I don't think it was anywhere near "executing the VP" but more like getting too close to the area where the politicians were being kept safe.
        dragonwriter 6y ago
        > A single, fatal shot was fired for precisely that reason. The people most imminently in danger in that case, as I understand it, were staff in the Speakers Lobby, not members or the Vice President, who were in the chambers. But as I understand the timeline, the attack, with defenders just on the other side with guns drawn and prepared to fire, on the doors to at least one of the chambers also were ongoing before members had been evacuated from the floor by another exit, so the incident at the Speakers Lobby came very close to being repeated where members were more immediately at risk.
        whimsicalism 6y ago
        > the attack, with defenders just on the other side with guns drawn and prepared to fire, on the doors to at least one of the chambers also were ongoing before members had been evacuated from the floor by another exit, Do you have a source for this? I understand you to be saying that the picture we all saw (of the guns being drawn at a door within one of the chambers) occurred while there were still elected representatives in that chamber?
        dragonwriter 6y ago
        >Do you have a source for this? I’ll try to dig up something; I’ve seen a couple accounts from people in the chamber or galleries that seemed to suggest that (I think specifically the House chamber).
        seppin 6y ago
        They were minutes from the Senate floor while Senators were still there.
    - seppin 6y ago
      And until such a thing occurs, most Trump adjacent HN members with continue to play "no true scotsman" with the extremists amongst them.
      - whimsicalism 6y ago
        I am hardly Trump adjacent except, unfortunately, geographically.
TomSwirly 6y ago
If the statement is false, it should be easy to come up with a counter-example...?
jacquesm 6y ago
No, it is factually correct. They said 'since', not larger than. In the meantime, since 9/11 there have as far as I know it not been any larger attacks within the US on the United States itself. If you know of any then please correct me.
- whimsicalism 6y ago
  > on the United States itself. What does "on the United States itself" mean and why does 9/11 meet that standard but not, say, the Pulse nightclub shooting?
  - jacquesm 6y ago
    The Pulse nightclub is not typically associated with being a seat of government, though I don't doubt that people in government have been seated there. On 9/11 there was a plan set in motion to crash a plane in to the Capitol, which only failed because of the bravery of the passengers in that plane. Incidentally, the very same Capitol self described 'patriots' broke into and vandalized last week.
    - whimsicalism 6y ago
      > a legitimate 9/11 scale crisis So what made 9/11 have large scale was the (thwarted) plot to crash into the Capitol and the successful attack on the Pentagon? Not the 2600 killed in the WTC? This seems like a very twisted reading to compare two not-actually-that-similar events.
      - jacquesm 6y ago
        I think you have a reading comprehension problem, but I don't think I'm capable of fixing it. Hint: it revolves around the word 'since'. Best of luck.
        whimsicalism 6y ago
        The poster claimed this was a "9/11 scale crisis", I think it is not. Rather than engaging in the reasons for why it might be, you choose to insult my reading comprehension. Take care, and hopefully you can be more charitable to those you encounter in-person.

So you can name a bigger attack on the US that has happened in the last 20 years? Far fewer lives were lost, but the impact and implications of this are on par.

whimsicalism 6y ago
They're just not even remotely the same thing. Nothing like 9/11 or the OKC bombing has happened in the last 19 years; full stop. I have lived in DC my whole life, I hate to see this happening in my city, but we can be honest with ourselves.
- macintux 6y ago
  This could have led to the public execution of the Vice President and speaker of the house. This came close to being a dramatically worse event.
  - whimsicalism 6y ago
    > This could have led to the public execution of the Vice President and speaker of the house. This came close to being a dramatically worse event. I remain unconvinced about how close that actually was, nor have I seen a compelling case that it was that close actually made. Further, before it becomes close to "executing the Vice President", you can bet shots are going to actually be fired. Crowds of rioters behave very differently when gunshots start ringing out.
    - jaywalk 6y ago
      A single, fatal shot was fired for precisely that reason. And even then, I don't think it was anywhere near "executing the VP" but more like getting too close to the area where the politicians were being kept safe.
      - dragonwriter 6y ago
        > A single, fatal shot was fired for precisely that reason. The people most imminently in danger in that case, as I understand it, were staff in the Speakers Lobby, not members or the Vice President, who were in the chambers. But as I understand the timeline, the attack, with defenders just on the other side with guns drawn and prepared to fire, on the doors to at least one of the chambers also were ongoing before members had been evacuated from the floor by another exit, so the incident at the Speakers Lobby came very close to being repeated where members were more immediately at risk.
        whimsicalism 6y ago
        > the attack, with defenders just on the other side with guns drawn and prepared to fire, on the doors to at least one of the chambers also were ongoing before members had been evacuated from the floor by another exit, Do you have a source for this? I understand you to be saying that the picture we all saw (of the guns being drawn at a door within one of the chambers) occurred while there were still elected representatives in that chamber?
        dragonwriter 6y ago
        >Do you have a source for this? I’ll try to dig up something; I’ve seen a couple accounts from people in the chamber or galleries that seemed to suggest that (I think specifically the House chamber).
      - seppin 6y ago
        They were minutes from the Senate floor while Senators were still there.
  - seppin 6y ago
    And until such a thing occurs, most Trump adjacent HN members with continue to play "no true scotsman" with the extremists amongst them.
    - whimsicalism 6y ago
      I am hardly Trump adjacent except, unfortunately, geographically.

TomSwirly 6y ago

If the statement is false, it should be easy to come up with a counter-example...?

jacquesm 6y ago

No, it is factually correct. They said 'since', not larger than. In the meantime, since 9/11 there have as far as I know it not been any larger attacks within the US on the United States itself. If you know of any then please correct me.

whimsicalism 6y ago
> on the United States itself. What does "on the United States itself" mean and why does 9/11 meet that standard but not, say, the Pulse nightclub shooting?
- jacquesm 6y ago
  The Pulse nightclub is not typically associated with being a seat of government, though I don't doubt that people in government have been seated there. On 9/11 there was a plan set in motion to crash a plane in to the Capitol, which only failed because of the bravery of the passengers in that plane. Incidentally, the very same Capitol self described 'patriots' broke into and vandalized last week.
  - whimsicalism 6y ago
    > a legitimate 9/11 scale crisis So what made 9/11 have large scale was the (thwarted) plot to crash into the Capitol and the successful attack on the Pentagon? Not the 2600 killed in the WTC? This seems like a very twisted reading to compare two not-actually-that-similar events.
    - jacquesm 6y ago
      I think you have a reading comprehension problem, but I don't think I'm capable of fixing it. Hint: it revolves around the word 'since'. Best of luck.
      - whimsicalism 6y ago
        The poster claimed this was a "9/11 scale crisis", I think it is not. Rather than engaging in the reasons for why it might be, you choose to insult my reading comprehension. Take care, and hopefully you can be more charitable to those you encounter in-person.