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> media told me I create a Parler account myself out of curiosity's sake. The platform had basically no moderation, and was rife with open calls to violence. I
by mr_overalls 6y ago
> media told me
I create a Parler account myself out of curiosity's sake. The platform had basically no moderation, and was rife with open calls to violence. It was absolutely serving as a recruitment & coordination site for domestic terrorism.
- astrea 6y agoDidn't we learn from 4/8chan that letting people post whatever they want (semi-)anonymously leads to disgusting behavior?
- abvdasker 6y agoI think it's also that unmoderated forums become a magnet for people who want to spew hate, rather than anonymity inherently leading regular people into such behavior (though maybe the former causes some of the latter).
- DaiPlusPlus 6y agoOlder than that, here’s a take from 2004: https://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2004/03/19 https://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2004/03/19
- foolfoolz 6y agoreddit is the same thing. not all of 4chan is bad. not all of reddit is bad. but there is bad on both. it has nothing to do with the website it’s the format
- kache_ 6y agoPeople cannot post whatever they want on 4chan. On boards such as /g/, and /sci/, any off topic discussion is banned, including blatantly racist content. Other than that, there is free discussion that can be quite enlightening. And just because you choose to use a website does not mean you agree with the fringes. Just because you're a reddit user, and reddit has gore subreddits, are you into gore?
- astrea 6y agoYou make 4chan sounds like a utopia. Clearly you've never seen the revenge porn, gore, doxxing, etc that happens (or at least used to happen, havent been there in years) on b/.
- adnzzzzZ 6y agoThis thread is talking about an example of doxxing on a much larger scale than anything that has ever happened on 4chan. What's your point?
- astrea 6y agoMy point is what my original comment says.
- kache_ 6y agowhy the hell would anyone go on /b/? Same reason no one goes to reddit/r/nsfl And honestly, 4chan really is a utopia compared to orange reddit. Removing identities makes conversations less about how the individual appears and more about the substance of the topic.
- astrea 6y agoSo you agree that unmoderated communities result in cesspools? We took the scenic route, but I'm glad we arrived at my point eventually.
- tomatotomato37 6y agoThe whole reason 8chan was created was because they were kicked off of 4chan for disgusting behavior (specifically doxing/harassing game journalists)
- foob 6y agoAnd now information about your account has been leaked, and will be lumped in with more nefarious accounts. I have a feeling that a significant number of people have similarly made accounts out of curiosity. I've had my parents and some less technically inclined friends recently ask me what Parler is because it's been in the news. These aren't people that fall under the alt-right categorization in the slightest, and they're also not people who would think to use fake information if they were signing up for something to see what it is like. Even if the platform had terrible and dangerous content on it, we should avoid assuming that everybody on it supported that content, and we shouldn't celebrate their personal information being leaked.
- mr_overalls 6y agoI don't care if my personal information was leaked. I followed discussions, posted a comment or two like, "What evidence do you have for that?" There seemed to be tons of other accounts that did the same, along with accounts by obvious Lefts who were there to troll. I highly doubt there will be blowback for the kind of participation I did. I am absolutely a privacy advocate. However, in the case where the continued existence of our democracy hinges on rooting out violent domestic terrorists, I am willing to make tradeoffs. At this point, you should think about Parler as a jihadi forum for rednecks.
- mleonhard 6y agoI don't understand your claim that terrorists are a threat to our democracy. As long as most of the people in the country believe in democracy, the country will continue to have democracy. The real threat to democracy is allowing leaders to stop following the democratic process. For example, on 02021-01-06, 147 congresspeople voted to throw out the votes from an entire state, even after their party had pursued the appropriate legal remedies [0]. Next time, they may succeed in throwing out votes. At that point, USA will be an oligarchy. This is the real threat to democracy. [0] https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/01/07/us/elections/electoral-college-biden-objectors.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/01/07/us/elections/...
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- nilkn 6y agoAnd now there are folks right here in this thread who will assume the absolute worst about you and try to ruin your life. I wish you the best of luck in surviving this. This is why it's not reasonable to paint every account there as that of a terrorist.
- jacquesm 6y agoWhy would they? Because he did nothing? Or because he was 'present'? Accounts that monitor something are not going to run with the crowd in their act. See also: the historian who documented a lot of the mayhem on the 6th from inside the crowd.
- nilkn 6y agoBecause they're not going to investigate all 4+ million Parler accounts to distinguish between those involved and those not. Many folks here are just assuming everyone on Parler was a terrorist or complicit in what happened. The poster's name and phone number are now lumped in with everyone else's. All we can hope is they made the effort to use fake information.
- jacquesm 6y agoI'd hope it would take a bit more than 'present' to be handed a sentence. But time will tell.
- evgen 6y agoNo one will be judged for having an account, because a lot of people were signed up just to monitor and watch. It is trivial to claim that you only signed up for that reason and to expect the claim to stick. If you happened to be frequently posting the chronicles of the elders of zion or talking about how you wanted to pursue an ammo box solution to a ballot box loss then you are going to have a lot more explaining to do.
- nilkn 6y agoI definitely hope that your analysis here is the prevailing one.
- Veen 6y agoThen you should be worried because your employer and family may discover that you were a member of Parler. The "I was just curious" defence might not be as convincing as you think.
- cbozeman 6y agoLOL, this is as ridiculous as, "You were once handed a leaflet about the Nazi Party in 1937, therefore you are a Nazi." If we don't move past this kind of absolute nonsense, you really will have a violent confrontation on your hands, because you're going to end up alienating millions.