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I also don’t agree with their equivalent person on the left. Are there many, if any, equivalent people to Bannon on the left? My theory is that the core of Ba

I also don’t agree with their equivalent person on the left. Are there many, if any, equivalent people to Bannon on the left? My theory is that the core of Bannon is neoconfederacy: under all the nonsense he talks is the desire to see the North burn. In fact I am skeptical of most “career politicians”. Bannon is not a 'career politician' dunk on the other tribe Yes, the Democrats are corrupt, but to focus on that, at the present-day, ignores the gravity of what the Republican party has become: the 'other tribe' is, really and truly, fascist and seditionist.

sgregnt 6y ago
I wonder how accurate is your statement and does it contributes to an informed conversation? Anecdotal. There are tens of millions of GOP voters, I have many friends that support GOP, non of them is a fasict.
- baq 6y ago
  but do they know who they vote for? (same question to the democratic voters) i'm not from US - we've got a multiparty system that seems to kind of work - but I've done one of those political alignment tests for parties, got a result, and then proceeded to do a political alignment test for politicians. None of the folks I was supposedly aligned with were members of the party I was aligned with best. make of that what you will.
- uniqueid 6y ago
  It's harder to characterize voters. For example, Democratic leadership is full of corporatocrats. So, strictly speaking, Democratic voters support corporatocracy. But it's more accurate to say that most Democratic voters support corporatocracy unwittingly, or collaterally. That is what I would say about Republican voters and fascism, also.
  - dragonwriter 6y ago
    > Democratic leadership is full of corporatists. No, its full of corporatocrats [0]. Corporatism [1] is a political position (Wikipedia calls it an “ideology”, but it may be better to be viewed as a facet of ideology found in lots of very different ideologies; e.g., fascism includes corporatism as a component), but its not one that is particularly popular among Democrats, either in leadership or the base, neoliberal or progressive (though there definitely is a progressive corporatism that has some support.) [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporatocracy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporatocracy [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporatism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporatism
    - uniqueid 6y ago
      Thank you! I struggled to find an appropriate word there. I was originally thinking of Democrats who supported Bloomberg, but 'oligarchical' and 'oligarchic' seemed clunky. Then I committed the worst sin of letting my words choose my meaning, and switched to 'corporatists'... oops. Yes, let's go ahead an make it 'corporatocrats' and 'corporatocracy'
ramblerman 6y ago
> of what the Republican party has become: the 'other tribe' is, really and truly, fascist and seditionist. All of them?
- uniqueid 6y ago
  All of them? Not all, fair point. But enough that it feels to me like to credit them is like when some people defend the 'boogaloo boys' by arguing 'not all of them are racist'. Okay, but it doesn't inspire much confidence :)
- AniseAbyss 6y ago
  Mitt Romney talks the talk but his voting record aligns with Trump.

sgregnt 6y ago

I wonder how accurate is your statement and does it contributes to an informed conversation? Anecdotal. There are tens of millions of GOP voters, I have many friends that support GOP, non of them is a fasict.

baq 6y ago
but do they know who they vote for? (same question to the democratic voters) i'm not from US - we've got a multiparty system that seems to kind of work - but I've done one of those political alignment tests for parties, got a result, and then proceeded to do a political alignment test for politicians. None of the folks I was supposedly aligned with were members of the party I was aligned with best. make of that what you will.
uniqueid 6y ago
It's harder to characterize voters. For example, Democratic leadership is full of corporatocrats. So, strictly speaking, Democratic voters support corporatocracy. But it's more accurate to say that most Democratic voters support corporatocracy unwittingly, or collaterally. That is what I would say about Republican voters and fascism, also.
- dragonwriter 6y ago
  > Democratic leadership is full of corporatists. No, its full of corporatocrats [0]. Corporatism [1] is a political position (Wikipedia calls it an “ideology”, but it may be better to be viewed as a facet of ideology found in lots of very different ideologies; e.g., fascism includes corporatism as a component), but its not one that is particularly popular among Democrats, either in leadership or the base, neoliberal or progressive (though there definitely is a progressive corporatism that has some support.) [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporatocracy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporatocracy [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporatism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporatism
  - uniqueid 6y ago
    Thank you! I struggled to find an appropriate word there. I was originally thinking of Democrats who supported Bloomberg, but 'oligarchical' and 'oligarchic' seemed clunky. Then I committed the worst sin of letting my words choose my meaning, and switched to 'corporatists'... oops. Yes, let's go ahead an make it 'corporatocrats' and 'corporatocracy'

ramblerman 6y ago

> of what the Republican party has become: the 'other tribe' is, really and truly, fascist and seditionist. All of them?

uniqueid 6y ago
All of them? Not all, fair point. But enough that it feels to me like to credit them is like when some people defend the 'boogaloo boys' by arguing 'not all of them are racist'. Okay, but it doesn't inspire much confidence :)
AniseAbyss 6y ago
Mitt Romney talks the talk but his voting record aligns with Trump.