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Current LFP battery prices are around $120 per kWh delivered: I just ordered 14 kWh (48V 16S) for 1700 USD delivered. This is cheaper than an Apple laptop. A

by guerby 6y ago

Current LFP battery prices are around $120 per kWh delivered: I just ordered 14 kWh (48V 16S) for 1700 USD delivered. This is cheaper than an Apple laptop. A quarter of the price paid is shipping since it comes directly from China so source price is already under $100/kWh. A recent test by Will Prowse: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3U4ZfQ_IToI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3U4ZfQ_IToI $433 280Ah LiFePO4 Cells Tested: Cheaper than lead acid! Many people have the same good experience with these kind of cells: https://diysolarforum.com/ https://diysolarforum.com/ Added: 14 kWh will run a 20 Watt laptop for a month.

driverdan 6y ago
Where are you getting new LFP batteries for that price?
- Peretus 6y ago
  There is a fellow down in Port St. Lucie Florida that has launched a 100ah LiFePO4 with a 10-year warranty for ~ $550usd each. I saw his shop in person when I purchased some solar from him and was quite impressed with the work they've done and the research and testing that has gone into their products. I had already purchased my batteries by the time I discovered his product or I would have purchased from him: https://outlandsolar.com/ https://outlandsolar.com/ My partner and I live aboard a 41ft sailboat and both work remotely as programmers. I installed 1920w of solar on the boat and get approximately 3.5-4.5kwh per day in output, depending on which way we are oriented while at anchor. I installed 600ah of LiFePO4 batteries @ 12v and when combined with that amount of solar, we have pretty much all the power we need. We frequently cook with an air fryer and have a dishwasher on the boat that we run daily-- all off solar.
  - driverdan 6y ago
    That price is really good. I'm curious what cells they used.
    - Peretus 6y ago
      I'm pretty sure they're Sinopoly cells, but I'm no expert. The BMS they use is quite impressive too, from what I could tell. While I was there in the shop they had a battery cut open and I was able to see inside.
  - cmason 6y ago
    Where/how do you fit ~2000W of solar on your boat? That’s impressive.
    - Peretus 6y ago
      I ended up mounting two ~39x70in panels on top of the davits and one on each side of the stern, mounted to the stanchions like 'wings' that can be propped up while at anchor. Strangely enough, I found I was getting so much power from the panels that I don't bother propping them up. Because of the way the panels are mounted (basically at least 1 panel facing the sun at all times), I'm able to get roughly 500w from 8:30am until just after 5pm. I was pleasantly surprised.
  - turtlebits 6y ago
    SOK Battery also has an 100ah battery for $570. They look a little more reputable then a DIY'er, but kudos to him for selling. a product.
- guerby 6y ago
  Will prowse has a link to the vendor he chose in the youtube video description, if you search for "supplier" in the forum you'll get plenty of feedback on various known vendors. I chose one (after sending a few private message to forum members) but I'm not recommanding it until I get and test my batteries.
  - bitxbitxbitcoin 6y ago
    My dad gave me Will Prowse's book as a resource when I was rigging my van with solar - it was a great read but not a necessary buy because all the info you need is on his website.[0] His YouTube channel is a great resource that I'd definitely recommend! Interested to hear what the brand is if your tests turn out satisfactory. [0] https://www.mobile-solarpower.com/ https://www.mobile-solarpower.com/
walrus01 6y ago
Beware of suspiciously cheap lifepo4 batteries from China, they are by no means all the same.
- guerby 6y ago
  If you look for known good chinese LFP vendors on forums it minimize the risk, lots of people are reporting to spec or very close to spec batteries. And when they are issues looks like most chinese vendors will just send a replacement if you document your problem well (compare this to local store return processes ...). But LFP batteries have gotten really cheap, so the price for a mistake is no longer prohibitive.
walrus01 6y ago
The part in that youtube video where he's using uninsulated steel wrenches across the top bus bars to tighten down the terminals is extremely scary.
- turtlebits 6y ago
  I don't think there is a huge risk when you're dealing with 12V batteries.

by guerby 6y ago

driverdan 6y ago

Where are you getting new LFP batteries for that price?

Peretus 6y ago
There is a fellow down in Port St. Lucie Florida that has launched a 100ah LiFePO4 with a 10-year warranty for ~ $550usd each. I saw his shop in person when I purchased some solar from him and was quite impressed with the work they've done and the research and testing that has gone into their products. I had already purchased my batteries by the time I discovered his product or I would have purchased from him: https://outlandsolar.com/ https://outlandsolar.com/ My partner and I live aboard a 41ft sailboat and both work remotely as programmers. I installed 1920w of solar on the boat and get approximately 3.5-4.5kwh per day in output, depending on which way we are oriented while at anchor. I installed 600ah of LiFePO4 batteries @ 12v and when combined with that amount of solar, we have pretty much all the power we need. We frequently cook with an air fryer and have a dishwasher on the boat that we run daily-- all off solar.
- driverdan 6y ago
  That price is really good. I'm curious what cells they used.
  - Peretus 6y ago
    I'm pretty sure they're Sinopoly cells, but I'm no expert. The BMS they use is quite impressive too, from what I could tell. While I was there in the shop they had a battery cut open and I was able to see inside.
- cmason 6y ago
  Where/how do you fit ~2000W of solar on your boat? That’s impressive.
  - Peretus 6y ago
    I ended up mounting two ~39x70in panels on top of the davits and one on each side of the stern, mounted to the stanchions like 'wings' that can be propped up while at anchor. Strangely enough, I found I was getting so much power from the panels that I don't bother propping them up. Because of the way the panels are mounted (basically at least 1 panel facing the sun at all times), I'm able to get roughly 500w from 8:30am until just after 5pm. I was pleasantly surprised.
- turtlebits 6y ago
  SOK Battery also has an 100ah battery for $570. They look a little more reputable then a DIY'er, but kudos to him for selling. a product.
guerby 6y ago
Will prowse has a link to the vendor he chose in the youtube video description, if you search for "supplier" in the forum you'll get plenty of feedback on various known vendors. I chose one (after sending a few private message to forum members) but I'm not recommanding it until I get and test my batteries.
- bitxbitxbitcoin 6y ago
  My dad gave me Will Prowse's book as a resource when I was rigging my van with solar - it was a great read but not a necessary buy because all the info you need is on his website.[0] His YouTube channel is a great resource that I'd definitely recommend! Interested to hear what the brand is if your tests turn out satisfactory. [0] https://www.mobile-solarpower.com/ https://www.mobile-solarpower.com/

walrus01 6y ago

Beware of suspiciously cheap lifepo4 batteries from China, they are by no means all the same.

guerby 6y ago
If you look for known good chinese LFP vendors on forums it minimize the risk, lots of people are reporting to spec or very close to spec batteries. And when they are issues looks like most chinese vendors will just send a replacement if you document your problem well (compare this to local store return processes ...). But LFP batteries have gotten really cheap, so the price for a mistake is no longer prohibitive.

walrus01 6y ago

The part in that youtube video where he's using uninsulated steel wrenches across the top bus bars to tighten down the terminals is extremely scary.

turtlebits 6y ago
I don't think there is a huge risk when you're dealing with 12V batteries.