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Not True ... The reason solar power is a usable today is due to natural evolutions of markets that made storing energy more viable. The search of long lasting b

Not True ... The reason solar power is a usable today is due to natural evolutions of markets that made storing energy more viable. The search of long lasting batteries for mobile phones and electric cars. Governments had no intention of accelerating the obsolescence of fossil fuels but once you have better alternatives it's really hard to suppress. Just think that in 2015 Tesla was struggling, war in the middle east over oil and the scandal of Germany / fake CO2 calculations on german diesel cars.

pydry 6y ago
>Governments had no intention of accelerating the obsolescence of fossil fuels China did. They were acutely aware of how militarily exposed reliance on oil was for them and how polluting coal fired power stations were and were keen on pushing all possible alternatives.
- EB-Barrington 6y ago
  Yes. China also relies heavily upon imported coal, hence the further push for alternatives (nuclear, solar, wind, etc). When China recently banned all coal imports from Australia, the country suffered widespread electricity blackouts.
pjc50 6y ago
France did, due to lack of domestic fossil fuel production; but they went nuclear instead. Germany has struggled internally - they have a strong green faction and a strong domestic coal industry.
Lio 6y ago
> the scandal of Germany / fake CO2 calculations on german diesel cars. The scandal was not about fake CO2 calculations. It was about Volkswagen having its engine management systems detect if a car was being tested and alter how it ran so that it generated less NOx emissions at the expense of power output[1]. When the car was used outside the lab it would produce a higher power output at the expense of illegally high NOx emissions. 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_emissions_scandal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_emissions_scandal
- HPsquared 6y ago
  There's been more than one scandal regarding emissions. OP may have been talking about CO2 emissions ratings, which are also manipulated. https://www.ft.com/content/2a123e88-9582-11e8-b747-fb1e803ee64e https://www.ft.com/content/2a123e88-9582-11e8-b747-fb1e803ee...
- lanevorockz 6y ago
  Yep, thank you for the more clear description. Just one thing it was not just Volkswagen, as many other manufacturers used the same type of engine.
  - Lio 6y ago
    Yes that’s true. Volkswagen Auto Group (VAG) is the parent brand for amongst others, Audi, Bentley, Bugatti, Lamborghini, Porsche, SEAT and Škoda. I believe other unrelated manufacturers were also caught at a similar time pulling the same NOx trick with their own engines.
simion314 6y ago
So you give the credit to Apple,Google and Tesla ? any sources on how much did this companies invested in R&D for solar panels or wind turbines? Or how you connected smartphones and cars sold in last decade with all the research that happened until now?
- lanevorockz 6y ago
  The biggest issue with Solar Panels and wind turbines were always about normalising output. This used to cause substantial loss which made it unviable. Things got much better when storage of energy became cheaper, and engine tech improved due to Tesla. You can also give credit for the Energy Derivative market that used trading on Energy futures to help companies financially hedge any risk on green energy.
  - simion314 6y ago
    Any numbers that prove that Tesla actually put more money then governments ? In fact Tesla benefited from the government programs so the prove would make no sense, it must be other companies that put more more then governments in the green energy sector.

pydry 6y ago

>Governments had no intention of accelerating the obsolescence of fossil fuels China did. They were acutely aware of how militarily exposed reliance on oil was for them and how polluting coal fired power stations were and were keen on pushing all possible alternatives.

EB-Barrington 6y ago
Yes. China also relies heavily upon imported coal, hence the further push for alternatives (nuclear, solar, wind, etc). When China recently banned all coal imports from Australia, the country suffered widespread electricity blackouts.

pjc50 6y ago

France did, due to lack of domestic fossil fuel production; but they went nuclear instead. Germany has struggled internally - they have a strong green faction and a strong domestic coal industry.

Lio 6y ago

> the scandal of Germany / fake CO2 calculations on german diesel cars. The scandal was not about fake CO2 calculations. It was about Volkswagen having its engine management systems detect if a car was being tested and alter how it ran so that it generated less NOx emissions at the expense of power output[1]. When the car was used outside the lab it would produce a higher power output at the expense of illegally high NOx emissions. 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_emissions_scandal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_emissions_scandal

HPsquared 6y ago
There's been more than one scandal regarding emissions. OP may have been talking about CO2 emissions ratings, which are also manipulated. https://www.ft.com/content/2a123e88-9582-11e8-b747-fb1e803ee64e https://www.ft.com/content/2a123e88-9582-11e8-b747-fb1e803ee...
lanevorockz 6y ago
Yep, thank you for the more clear description. Just one thing it was not just Volkswagen, as many other manufacturers used the same type of engine.
- Lio 6y ago
  Yes that’s true. Volkswagen Auto Group (VAG) is the parent brand for amongst others, Audi, Bentley, Bugatti, Lamborghini, Porsche, SEAT and Škoda. I believe other unrelated manufacturers were also caught at a similar time pulling the same NOx trick with their own engines.

simion314 6y ago

So you give the credit to Apple,Google and Tesla ? any sources on how much did this companies invested in R&D for solar panels or wind turbines? Or how you connected smartphones and cars sold in last decade with all the research that happened until now?

lanevorockz 6y ago
The biggest issue with Solar Panels and wind turbines were always about normalising output. This used to cause substantial loss which made it unviable. Things got much better when storage of energy became cheaper, and engine tech improved due to Tesla. You can also give credit for the Energy Derivative market that used trading on Energy futures to help companies financially hedge any risk on green energy.
- simion314 6y ago
  Any numbers that prove that Tesla actually put more money then governments ? In fact Tesla benefited from the government programs so the prove would make no sense, it must be other companies that put more more then governments in the green energy sector.