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Many people make up these companies. It's not like there is a secret cabal of left-leaning tech owners that get together and make decisions like this.

by jf22 6y ago

alecbz 6y ago
It's not an explicit conspiracy but there are incredibly strong political bubbles in the US.
- jf22 6y ago
  Yes, of course, that's how humans work. But these bubbles are often considered as a singular group moving as one, when in reality they are separate organizations and individuals who agree with each other.
  - alecbz 6y ago
    Sure. But my point is that it's not correct to go from "multiple independent organizations think this way" to "basically everyone must think this way", as if those multiple organizations represent a random sample of the population.
prepend 6y ago
In the case of Facebook and Google, their founders have voting majority shares and literally control the companies. It’s not a secret cabal of left-leaning owners, it is a publicly known set of left-leaning tech owners. I’m not saying they act evilly, but Facebook is literally controlled by one person who cannot be outvoted by every other owner. And Google is controlled by two as well [0]. [0] https://fortune.com/2019/12/05/page-and-brin-google-control/ https://fortune.com/2019/12/05/page-and-brin-google-control/
- jf22 6y ago
  Ok, that doesn't mean there is a cabal of party operatives and big tech working together...
  - mixedCase 6y ago
    That's not what the parent poster suggested nor the one you initially replied to. What's being discussed is big tech acting as one given their homogenous political inclinations, and user Jochim thinking this is representative of "society" at large as a way to normalize and whitewash this chain of political censorship.
    - jf22 6y ago
      Right, but other people in "society" besides big tech, support this decision. Nobody is thinking society is just big tech people. There are a lot of people who agree with tech's decision to cut off coup enablers.
  - prepend 6y ago
    I agree, that’s why I said “ It’s not a secret cabal of left-leaning owners, it is a publicly known set of left-leaning tech owners.” Of course the key characteristic of secret cabals is that they are secret. While I know of no evidence for secret cabals of big tech people, having individual capable of making unaccountable decisions is a different bad thing than secret cabals. And I responding to someone saying these were big organizations with lots of decision makers. And that’s false for Facebook and google, since they have power concentrated.

Many people make up these companies. It's not like there is a secret cabal of left-leaning tech owners that get together and make decisions like this.

by jf22 6y ago

Many people make up these companies. It's not like there is a secret cabal of left-leaning tech owners that get together and make decisions like this.

alecbz 6y ago

It's not an explicit conspiracy but there are incredibly strong political bubbles in the US.

jf22 6y ago
Yes, of course, that's how humans work. But these bubbles are often considered as a singular group moving as one, when in reality they are separate organizations and individuals who agree with each other.
- alecbz 6y ago
  Sure. But my point is that it's not correct to go from "multiple independent organizations think this way" to "basically everyone must think this way", as if those multiple organizations represent a random sample of the population.

prepend 6y ago

In the case of Facebook and Google, their founders have voting majority shares and literally control the companies. It’s not a secret cabal of left-leaning owners, it is a publicly known set of left-leaning tech owners. I’m not saying they act evilly, but Facebook is literally controlled by one person who cannot be outvoted by every other owner. And Google is controlled by two as well [0]. [0] https://fortune.com/2019/12/05/page-and-brin-google-control/ https://fortune.com/2019/12/05/page-and-brin-google-control/

jf22 6y ago
Ok, that doesn't mean there is a cabal of party operatives and big tech working together...
- mixedCase 6y ago
  That's not what the parent poster suggested nor the one you initially replied to. What's being discussed is big tech acting as one given their homogenous political inclinations, and user Jochim thinking this is representative of "society" at large as a way to normalize and whitewash this chain of political censorship.
  - jf22 6y ago
    Right, but other people in "society" besides big tech, support this decision. Nobody is thinking society is just big tech people. There are a lot of people who agree with tech's decision to cut off coup enablers.
- prepend 6y ago
  I agree, that’s why I said “ It’s not a secret cabal of left-leaning owners, it is a publicly known set of left-leaning tech owners.” Of course the key characteristic of secret cabals is that they are secret. While I know of no evidence for secret cabals of big tech people, having individual capable of making unaccountable decisions is a different bad thing than secret cabals. And I responding to someone saying these were big organizations with lots of decision makers. And that’s false for Facebook and google, since they have power concentrated.