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I agree, but its the same with the left media, the news are so highly politicized and opinionated that when comparing two news stories wouldn't be able to tell

I agree, but its the same with the left media, the news are so highly politicized and opinionated that when comparing two news stories wouldn't be able to tell they are talking about the same event. One calls the other conspiracy theorists, the other is fake news, and everyone is applauding when their team is censoring the other.

bJGVygG7MQVF8c 6y ago
The people are as naive as the Q people. They don't realize they're being just as heavily propagandized and manipulated, if not more so. In the 90s and during the Bush years many on the "cultural left" (let's use that to refer to low-information voters who are left-sympathizing) had at least an intuition for the degree to which the security state controlled the media and how untrustworthy the media was — I thought we'd had this reckoning in the aftermath of the disastrous Iraq war but apparently mood affiliation is a helluva drug. This historical cycle will not end will unless people start thinking a little more critically.
jeltz 6y ago
There is left wing media like that but none of it is close to as big as Fox News. Yes, both sides do it but quantity matters.
- janlukacs 6y ago
  i'm not american, but watching CNN and FOX News is EXACTLY the same thing - two propaganda machines masquerading as news.
- intended 6y ago
  This is being nice to Fox, which was designed and imagined from, the ground up, as a partisan machine. I mean these are the people who happily pushed and continue to push creationism because evolution (science) is a problem for them. People are aghast today by how there’s a separate reality, but the human trials were done in public. Creationism was the writing on the wall. Lumping Fox in the same breath as both sides is not true. The other side doesn’t include just “leftist” content, it includes the BBC, NYT, and apparently Jstor papers and Darwin. Fox also actively prevents content that undoes its narratives. They argument is that “the other side does it.” There’s no doubt that there is motivated reasoning and bad arguments in the normal news. But Fox uses that as an excuse to give up altogether and just double down. America is where it is because Fox News paved the way. You couldn’t give them enough credit for what they achieved.
- nathias 6y ago
  The left uses a different style, so if you are more left leaning you are less likely to recognize it as propaganda, but you can analyze a few articles where you have some more immediate source (whole video, images etc), and both receptions. Propaganda isn't just lies, its omissions, shifting importance and focus, framing, use of statistics etc.

bJGVygG7MQVF8c 6y ago

The people are as naive as the Q people. They don't realize they're being just as heavily propagandized and manipulated, if not more so. In the 90s and during the Bush years many on the "cultural left" (let's use that to refer to low-information voters who are left-sympathizing) had at least an intuition for the degree to which the security state controlled the media and how untrustworthy the media was — I thought we'd had this reckoning in the aftermath of the disastrous Iraq war but apparently mood affiliation is a helluva drug. This historical cycle will not end will unless people start thinking a little more critically.

jeltz 6y ago

There is left wing media like that but none of it is close to as big as Fox News. Yes, both sides do it but quantity matters.

janlukacs 6y ago
i'm not american, but watching CNN and FOX News is EXACTLY the same thing - two propaganda machines masquerading as news.
intended 6y ago
This is being nice to Fox, which was designed and imagined from, the ground up, as a partisan machine. I mean these are the people who happily pushed and continue to push creationism because evolution (science) is a problem for them. People are aghast today by how there’s a separate reality, but the human trials were done in public. Creationism was the writing on the wall. Lumping Fox in the same breath as both sides is not true. The other side doesn’t include just “leftist” content, it includes the BBC, NYT, and apparently Jstor papers and Darwin. Fox also actively prevents content that undoes its narratives. They argument is that “the other side does it.” There’s no doubt that there is motivated reasoning and bad arguments in the normal news. But Fox uses that as an excuse to give up altogether and just double down. America is where it is because Fox News paved the way. You couldn’t give them enough credit for what they achieved.
nathias 6y ago
The left uses a different style, so if you are more left leaning you are less likely to recognize it as propaganda, but you can analyze a few articles where you have some more immediate source (whole video, images etc), and both receptions. Propaganda isn't just lies, its omissions, shifting importance and focus, framing, use of statistics etc.