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Tech companies are shutting the Trump movement down because of public pressure. Its no different from any other boycott in that sense. Capitol Hill riot was the

Tech companies are shutting the Trump movement down because of public pressure. Its no different from any other boycott in that sense. Capitol Hill riot was the classic "free speech but not free from consequences" moment. Association with conservatives is now a financial liability.

cbozeman 6y ago
> Association with conservatives is now a financial liability. Considering they make up an enormous percentage of the population, I'm not sure that's a sound strategic move.
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- andromeduck 6y ago
  The left loves to defund/demonitize firearms content, the right nudity and lgbt content and both love deplatforming their opponents one moment and then get outraged if their stuff is removed the next. You see it with net neutrality, cda230, demonitization, forum moderation etc. It seems people just don't care about consistency anymore, it's just whatever is convenient in the moment.
  - swebs 6y ago
    You're talking about authoritarians on both sides. There are still libertarians on both sides (and even independent) who care more about civil liberties like freedom of speech (the ideal, not just the first amendment).
    - arminiusreturns 6y ago
      This! It frustrates me so much that so many people constantly just talk about left and right while completely ignoring the Y-axis of the political spectrum! To me, both parties are firmly in authoritarian land, and no amount of calling it "both sides-ism" will change that fact. Another frustrating thing is seeing people take a position and just label everything one or the other side, while there are a huge swath of voters and non-voters who don't identify with either party. (sidenote: Right now, I am liking the Movement for a Peoples Party.)
      - cedilla 6y ago
        It frustrates me that people mistake the political compass meme for a thing that actually exists. It's more complex than "left" vs. "right" and authoritarian vs. libertarian. Compressing politics down to literally two dimensions is a disservice to any political discussion.
        arminiusreturns 6y ago
        What better way is there to condense the political "spectrum" into an easily digestable product? Of course it's not perfect by any stretch, but the multi-axis charts are much more useful than the line-chart of left right most people tend to talk about. It's certainly much more than just a "meme" that doesn't exist. From The Decision Lab: "A single-axis model conflates liberal and conservative ideologies with right-wing and left-wing stances, excluding the nuances that can exist in someone’s political ideals. Single-axis models like the right/left-wing divide have been criticized for being too simple and reductionist, and it has been suggested that the right/left divide only captures economic issues but that it need not be reflective of one’s social political identity.2 Instead of having to have left-wing mean liberal and right-wing mean conservative, the political compass proposes that we are better off measuring political ideologies on two separate axes: a right/left economic axis and an authoritarian/libertarian axis.3 With such a model, it would be possible for someone to be right-wing and libertarian, or left-wing and authoritarian; none of the views are made mutually exclusive with another. The political compass proposes this alternative model because research has suggested that one’s economic views do not always align with their overall political identity, and therefore, the model would allow people to more accurately understand where they stand in relation to other views, which could mean a less polarized political landscape." [1] https://thedecisionlab.com/reference-guides/test/political-compass/ https://thedecisionlab.com/reference-guides/test/political-c...
        swebs 6y ago
        At least we can agree that a two dimensional spectrum is infinitely better than a one dimensional spectrum. Especially when terms such as "left" and "right" are incredibly vaguely defined and differ greatly based on who you're talking to.
    - andromeduck 6y ago
      It's true but feels like a loosing battle for principled moderates/libertarians these days. Everyone loves to critique and tear down what we have for real or perceived injustices but few are willing to the context and compromises that led to them or propose realizable, incremental solutions.
- swebs 6y ago
  If any competitors pop up, they can just get AWS or VISA to pull the plug. We're now officially living in a totalitarian state and Silicon Valley is the secret police.
- thinkharderdev 6y ago
  I would draw a distinction between "Conservatives" and a small subgroup within the right that is actively fomenting a violent insurrection.

cbozeman 6y ago

> Association with conservatives is now a financial liability. Considering they make up an enormous percentage of the population, I'm not sure that's a sound strategic move.

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andromeduck 6y ago
The left loves to defund/demonitize firearms content, the right nudity and lgbt content and both love deplatforming their opponents one moment and then get outraged if their stuff is removed the next. You see it with net neutrality, cda230, demonitization, forum moderation etc. It seems people just don't care about consistency anymore, it's just whatever is convenient in the moment.
- swebs 6y ago
  You're talking about authoritarians on both sides. There are still libertarians on both sides (and even independent) who care more about civil liberties like freedom of speech (the ideal, not just the first amendment).
  - arminiusreturns 6y ago
    This! It frustrates me so much that so many people constantly just talk about left and right while completely ignoring the Y-axis of the political spectrum! To me, both parties are firmly in authoritarian land, and no amount of calling it "both sides-ism" will change that fact. Another frustrating thing is seeing people take a position and just label everything one or the other side, while there are a huge swath of voters and non-voters who don't identify with either party. (sidenote: Right now, I am liking the Movement for a Peoples Party.)
    - cedilla 6y ago
      It frustrates me that people mistake the political compass meme for a thing that actually exists. It's more complex than "left" vs. "right" and authoritarian vs. libertarian. Compressing politics down to literally two dimensions is a disservice to any political discussion.
      - arminiusreturns 6y ago
        What better way is there to condense the political "spectrum" into an easily digestable product? Of course it's not perfect by any stretch, but the multi-axis charts are much more useful than the line-chart of left right most people tend to talk about. It's certainly much more than just a "meme" that doesn't exist. From The Decision Lab: "A single-axis model conflates liberal and conservative ideologies with right-wing and left-wing stances, excluding the nuances that can exist in someone’s political ideals. Single-axis models like the right/left-wing divide have been criticized for being too simple and reductionist, and it has been suggested that the right/left divide only captures economic issues but that it need not be reflective of one’s social political identity.2 Instead of having to have left-wing mean liberal and right-wing mean conservative, the political compass proposes that we are better off measuring political ideologies on two separate axes: a right/left economic axis and an authoritarian/libertarian axis.3 With such a model, it would be possible for someone to be right-wing and libertarian, or left-wing and authoritarian; none of the views are made mutually exclusive with another. The political compass proposes this alternative model because research has suggested that one’s economic views do not always align with their overall political identity, and therefore, the model would allow people to more accurately understand where they stand in relation to other views, which could mean a less polarized political landscape." [1] https://thedecisionlab.com/reference-guides/test/political-compass/ https://thedecisionlab.com/reference-guides/test/political-c...
      - swebs 6y ago
        At least we can agree that a two dimensional spectrum is infinitely better than a one dimensional spectrum. Especially when terms such as "left" and "right" are incredibly vaguely defined and differ greatly based on who you're talking to.
  - andromeduck 6y ago
    It's true but feels like a loosing battle for principled moderates/libertarians these days. Everyone loves to critique and tear down what we have for real or perceived injustices but few are willing to the context and compromises that led to them or propose realizable, incremental solutions.
swebs 6y ago
If any competitors pop up, they can just get AWS or VISA to pull the plug. We're now officially living in a totalitarian state and Silicon Valley is the secret police.
thinkharderdev 6y ago
I would draw a distinction between "Conservatives" and a small subgroup within the right that is actively fomenting a violent insurrection.