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Indeed he offered the couple any other cake than a custom wedding cake with two men figures on top. His custom cakes are small works of art. If he'd be forced

by blPanx 6y ago

Indeed he offered the couple any other cake than a custom wedding cake with two men figures on top. His custom cakes are small works of art. If he'd be forced to create one against his beliefs, why not force a far left painter to paint a favorable portrait of Trump? And indeed this situation has little to do with Silicon Valley corporations offering generic services to millions of people. They are like supermarkets, who should not be allowed to refuse service to anyone.

sjwright 6y ago
AWS isn't like a supermarket. Depending on the context it's better analogised to something like a car rental chain or a large shopping centre. They're providing ongoing, rented, commodity infrastructure that is subject to acceptable use policies.
nemo44x 6y ago
I think that’s the issue people mix up. He isn’t refusing to do business with anyone because of who they are. He’s refusing to create certain expressions which I should think he has every right to do. I would expect a Christian cake maker would not agree to accept my money to design a cake that worships satan for example. Likewise I wouldn’t expect a satanic cake maker to make a cake celebrating Jesus. Would it be right to force an Islamic cake maker to make a cake featuring Muhammad’s likeness?
- rat87 6y ago
  No he is refusing to make a cake for a gay couple If he refused to provide groom&groom wedding toppers I'd fully support him but this is food not speech Likewise I wouldn't expect him to write messages or make decorations he disagreed with But in this case it's a simple case of discrimination
  - darkwizard42 6y ago
    Literally in the article it says he offered to make them other items... https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/04/politics/masterpiece-colorado-gay-marriage-cake-supreme-court/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/04/politics/masterpiece-colorado...
    - dragonwriter 6y ago
      And literally the Supreme Court decisions stated that he objected to making cakes for gay couples on two separate grounds. To the extent that he may have offered them to make other items, it wasn't part of the basis for the decision, which was entirely about religious animus shown by the Colorado State commission that enforced the law in his case, and not at all about him not actually discriminating because he was willing to do business with gay couples, just not to make the specific cake they wanted. The fact that something is mentioned in a news article about a court case doesn't mean that (even if it is true) it is part of the basis for the decision. If you want to understand the basis for a court decision, it's best to read the decision itself.
rat87 6y ago
His cakes are food This seems like a giant loophole to negate anti-discrimination laws. Are subway "sandwich artists" able to discriminate in their art?

by blPanx 6y ago

sjwright 6y ago

AWS isn't like a supermarket. Depending on the context it's better analogised to something like a car rental chain or a large shopping centre. They're providing ongoing, rented, commodity infrastructure that is subject to acceptable use policies.

nemo44x 6y ago

I think that’s the issue people mix up. He isn’t refusing to do business with anyone because of who they are. He’s refusing to create certain expressions which I should think he has every right to do. I would expect a Christian cake maker would not agree to accept my money to design a cake that worships satan for example. Likewise I wouldn’t expect a satanic cake maker to make a cake celebrating Jesus. Would it be right to force an Islamic cake maker to make a cake featuring Muhammad’s likeness?

rat87 6y ago
No he is refusing to make a cake for a gay couple If he refused to provide groom&groom wedding toppers I'd fully support him but this is food not speech Likewise I wouldn't expect him to write messages or make decorations he disagreed with But in this case it's a simple case of discrimination
- darkwizard42 6y ago
  Literally in the article it says he offered to make them other items... https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/04/politics/masterpiece-colorado-gay-marriage-cake-supreme-court/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/04/politics/masterpiece-colorado...
  - dragonwriter 6y ago
    And literally the Supreme Court decisions stated that he objected to making cakes for gay couples on two separate grounds. To the extent that he may have offered them to make other items, it wasn't part of the basis for the decision, which was entirely about religious animus shown by the Colorado State commission that enforced the law in his case, and not at all about him not actually discriminating because he was willing to do business with gay couples, just not to make the specific cake they wanted. The fact that something is mentioned in a news article about a court case doesn't mean that (even if it is true) it is part of the basis for the decision. If you want to understand the basis for a court decision, it's best to read the decision itself.

rat87 6y ago

His cakes are food This seems like a giant loophole to negate anti-discrimination laws. Are subway "sandwich artists" able to discriminate in their art?