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I've seen the term "permanently suspended" several times already. Not a native speaker, could someone please explain to me the difference between that and "bann

I've seen the term "permanently suspended" several times already. Not a native speaker, could someone please explain to me the difference between that and "banned"?

akhosravian 6y ago
They mean the same thing; it’s just a choice of words.
remus 6y ago
In practice they effectively mean the same thing. I suspect they're going with "permanently suspended" now because they want to avoid people using phrases like they "banned free speech" or something similar to that.
- cbozeman 6y ago
  "permanently suspended free speech" doesn't really sound much different than "banned free speech". I can't really see this being a big deal, Bannon's got enough wealth to make his own website.
KMag 6y ago
As a native speaker, it's probably a distinction without a difference. Both sound more harsh than regular suspension and both sound less harsh than permanently banned. Neither one tells you exactly what they've done in terms of the amount of effort required to re-instate him if they change their mind. Both signal that they're unlikely to change their minds any time soon. With a physical location, "banned" sometimes implies they've been declared a persona non grata, and the police will be called if they return. Clearly that doesn't apply to an online platform.
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egwor 6y ago
I think it is for emphasis and for clarity. It is to clarify that the ban isn't temporary. A ban could be revoked or it could have a time limit. Permanent means it can't be reverted. I wonder if 'suspended' might also link to the wording within their ToS, so that's why they use ban vs suspended.
Joeboy 6y ago
To me, "suspending" sounds like something you do to accounts, and "banning" sounds more like something you do to people. In practice they're often interchangeable.
- etiam 6y ago
  I agree. Also note that for something like a Youtube account there are records associated (e.g. media files, logs, followers) which "suspending" could imply the operator has not deleted, whereas "banning" seems more narrowly focused on taking away the communication privileges from user in question.
chrischapman 6y ago
The best I can figure it is this: 'suspended' has a temporary sense, 'banned' has a permanent sense. While 'permanently banned' is a tautology, 'permanently suspended' is an oxymoron. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/suspended https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/suspended suspended = Caused to stop for a while; interrupted or delayed. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/banned https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/banned banned = Forbidden; not allowed. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/oxymoron https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/oxymoron oxymoron = A figure of speech in which two words or phrases with opposing meanings are used together intentionally for effect. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/tautology https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/tautology tautology = Redundant use of words
- etiam 6y ago
  On the other hand 'banned for [duration]' and 'temporary ban' have definitely been in use for a long time, which I personally have never thought seems wrong. If those uses are in play, 'permanently banned' can actually be motivated for disambiguation. And I would suggest '[permanent] suspension' may have connotations of a statement about reversibility. 'We have the ability to reverse this action [but we intend not to exercise that ability, ever].'
OJFord 6y ago
As a native speaker, I've seen it too, and it's just wrong. If you suspended someone and then said 'we're making your suspension permanent', it sounds like a 'cute'/think-you're-on-a-soap-opera way of saying 'you're now fired/expelled(/as applicable)'. Suspensions end. Even a suspension bridge for example is alluding to some temporal aspect, the natural outcome (gravity having its way) would be different.
- enkid 6y ago
  Suspend means to literally hold up above the ground. A suspension bridge is called that because something is "above" it holding it up.
  - OJFord 6y ago
    Yes. And when that thing ceases to hold it up, it will come crashing down.

I've seen the term "permanently suspended" several times already. Not a native speaker, could someone please explain to me the difference between that and "banned"?

akhosravian 6y ago

They mean the same thing; it’s just a choice of words.

remus 6y ago

In practice they effectively mean the same thing. I suspect they're going with "permanently suspended" now because they want to avoid people using phrases like they "banned free speech" or something similar to that.

cbozeman 6y ago
"permanently suspended free speech" doesn't really sound much different than "banned free speech". I can't really see this being a big deal, Bannon's got enough wealth to make his own website.

KMag 6y ago

As a native speaker, it's probably a distinction without a difference. Both sound more harsh than regular suspension and both sound less harsh than permanently banned. Neither one tells you exactly what they've done in terms of the amount of effort required to re-instate him if they change their mind. Both signal that they're unlikely to change their minds any time soon. With a physical location, "banned" sometimes implies they've been declared a persona non grata, and the police will be called if they return. Clearly that doesn't apply to an online platform.

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egwor 6y ago

I think it is for emphasis and for clarity. It is to clarify that the ban isn't temporary. A ban could be revoked or it could have a time limit. Permanent means it can't be reverted. I wonder if 'suspended' might also link to the wording within their ToS, so that's why they use ban vs suspended.

Joeboy 6y ago

To me, "suspending" sounds like something you do to accounts, and "banning" sounds more like something you do to people. In practice they're often interchangeable.

etiam 6y ago
I agree. Also note that for something like a Youtube account there are records associated (e.g. media files, logs, followers) which "suspending" could imply the operator has not deleted, whereas "banning" seems more narrowly focused on taking away the communication privileges from user in question.

chrischapman 6y ago

The best I can figure it is this: 'suspended' has a temporary sense, 'banned' has a permanent sense. While 'permanently banned' is a tautology, 'permanently suspended' is an oxymoron. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/suspended https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/suspended suspended = Caused to stop for a while; interrupted or delayed. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/banned https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/banned banned = Forbidden; not allowed. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/oxymoron https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/oxymoron oxymoron = A figure of speech in which two words or phrases with opposing meanings are used together intentionally for effect. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/tautology https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/tautology tautology = Redundant use of words

etiam 6y ago
On the other hand 'banned for [duration]' and 'temporary ban' have definitely been in use for a long time, which I personally have never thought seems wrong. If those uses are in play, 'permanently banned' can actually be motivated for disambiguation. And I would suggest '[permanent] suspension' may have connotations of a statement about reversibility. 'We have the ability to reverse this action [but we intend not to exercise that ability, ever].'

OJFord 6y ago

As a native speaker, I've seen it too, and it's just wrong. If you suspended someone and then said 'we're making your suspension permanent', it sounds like a 'cute'/think-you're-on-a-soap-opera way of saying 'you're now fired/expelled(/as applicable)'. Suspensions end. Even a suspension bridge for example is alluding to some temporal aspect, the natural outcome (gravity having its way) would be different.

enkid 6y ago
Suspend means to literally hold up above the ground. A suspension bridge is called that because something is "above" it holding it up.
- OJFord 6y ago
  Yes. And when that thing ceases to hold it up, it will come crashing down.