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This man has written some brilliant articles, and this is not one of them. Far as I can make sense of his somewhat roundabout reasoning, he's trying to say tha

This man has written some brilliant articles, and this is not one of them. Far as I can make sense of his somewhat roundabout reasoning, he's trying to say that if you tolerate everyone "except" some group, you're not really tolerant, because being tolerant is about accepting what you find distasteful. Except this rather stupidly implies an equivalency between "accepting gay people" and "accepting people who hate gay people." How fucking hard is this? Accept everyone except the racists and bigots. This isn't quantum mechanics. Nobody's missing out by kicking the nazis off the platform. I don't even remotely buy this argument that I have to accept the far right into my heart or else I'm not truly tolerant.

chordalkeyboard 6y ago
> he's trying to say that if you tolerate everyone "except" some group, you're not really tolerant, because being tolerant is about accepting what you find distasteful. This is a decent summary. > Except this rather stupidly implies an equivalency between "accepting gay people" and "accepting people who hate gay people." Those would really only be equivalent if the person doing the accepting had an equal amount of animosity for both gays and gay-haters. > Accept everyone except the racists and bigots Accept the pedophiles and the pederasts and the sexists? and the greedy rich? And the pimps and the pushers and the slavers? I think you missed the point of the article. You don't get virtue points for tolerating gays if you're not a homophobe. You just get to be known as a person who tolerates gays because that's how it is. > Nobody's missing out by kicking the nazis off the platform. Are you kicking nazis off the platform because you hate nazis or are you kicking nazis off the platform because of the potential for harm?
- AlexTWithBeard 6y ago
  Generally agree, but > Are you kicking nazis off the platform because you hate nazis or are you kicking nazis off the platform because of the potential for harm? Where is the boundary between kicking gays out because you hate them and kicking then out because of potential harm by means of god's wrath?
  - chordalkeyboard 6y ago
    > Where is the boundary between kicking gays out because you hate them and kicking then out because of potential harm by means of god's wrath? This is an apt question and there's no solid answer because motives are private. Failure to understand that motives are necessarily private causes otherwise well-laid plans to fail. Imperfectly, we can examine the behavior of the person to determine whether their behavior is consistent with one motive or another. This is not guaranteed to be correct but if done sincerely and charitably can help to catch the more egregious cases.
- aerovistae 6y ago
  > You don't get virtue points for tolerating gays if you're not a homophobe. This is a good point. > Accept the pedophiles and the pederasts and the sexists? and the greedy rich? And the pimps and the pushers and the slavers? You knew perfectly well that I wasn't trying to form an exhaustive list. This just detracted from your other points.
hedora 6y ago
At this point, I’d count any one that voted for Trump “far right”. Presumably, they’re all racists and bigots, or misinformed. The point of the article (in a 2020 lens) is that a majority of the US (blue camp) apparently feels this way about the other >40% (red camp) of the population. That should be concerning, and hopefully lead to some introspection.

chordalkeyboard 6y ago

> he's trying to say that if you tolerate everyone "except" some group, you're not really tolerant, because being tolerant is about accepting what you find distasteful. This is a decent summary. > Except this rather stupidly implies an equivalency between "accepting gay people" and "accepting people who hate gay people." Those would really only be equivalent if the person doing the accepting had an equal amount of animosity for both gays and gay-haters. > Accept everyone except the racists and bigots Accept the pedophiles and the pederasts and the sexists? and the greedy rich? And the pimps and the pushers and the slavers? I think you missed the point of the article. You don't get virtue points for tolerating gays if you're not a homophobe. You just get to be known as a person who tolerates gays because that's how it is. > Nobody's missing out by kicking the nazis off the platform. Are you kicking nazis off the platform because you hate nazis or are you kicking nazis off the platform because of the potential for harm?

AlexTWithBeard 6y ago
Generally agree, but > Are you kicking nazis off the platform because you hate nazis or are you kicking nazis off the platform because of the potential for harm? Where is the boundary between kicking gays out because you hate them and kicking then out because of potential harm by means of god's wrath?
- chordalkeyboard 6y ago
  > Where is the boundary between kicking gays out because you hate them and kicking then out because of potential harm by means of god's wrath? This is an apt question and there's no solid answer because motives are private. Failure to understand that motives are necessarily private causes otherwise well-laid plans to fail. Imperfectly, we can examine the behavior of the person to determine whether their behavior is consistent with one motive or another. This is not guaranteed to be correct but if done sincerely and charitably can help to catch the more egregious cases.
aerovistae 6y ago
> You don't get virtue points for tolerating gays if you're not a homophobe. This is a good point. > Accept the pedophiles and the pederasts and the sexists? and the greedy rich? And the pimps and the pushers and the slavers? You knew perfectly well that I wasn't trying to form an exhaustive list. This just detracted from your other points.

hedora 6y ago

At this point, I’d count any one that voted for Trump “far right”. Presumably, they’re all racists and bigots, or misinformed. The point of the article (in a 2020 lens) is that a majority of the US (blue camp) apparently feels this way about the other >40% (red camp) of the population. That should be concerning, and hopefully lead to some introspection.