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If Democrats agreed to a universal free voterID for all US citizens that people can get at any post office, the Republicans would 100% go for it. All they trul

If Democrats agreed to a universal free voterID for all US citizens that people can get at any post office, the Republicans would 100% go for it. All they truly want is a fair and trusted election. Any claim against this is based purely in conjecture and could easily be proven by simply pushing for some form of voter ID that is not discriminatory. It’s the Democrats that say an ID to vote is racist, while saying an ID is not racist for things like driving, flying, buying alcohol, working, getting a firearm, welfare checks, and so much more. It’s the Democrats that literally removed the signature requirement on ballots? (PA) What possible reason is there for this, if not to open the door for fraudulent voting, multiple votes per person etc... Not a rhetorical question. Someone please help me understand the other side of this?

baumandm 6y ago
Many more eloquent words have been written on this topic if you want more depth, but here's are some quick highlights: - Voting is a right, driving/flying/etc are not. Getting a driver's license is more about certifying your ability to drive than your identity. - Signature requirements are tricky because they are very subjective. You're counting on the unbiased assessment of thousands of volunteers to determine if signatures match. That doesn't make it racist, but it's easy to imagine a poll worker intentionally or unintentionally disenfranchising valid voters. So the key question is, does it actually reduce voter fraud by more than the false negative rate? Everywhere I've lived, the voter rolls and the voting process are designed in such a way that adding a free voter ID to the process would change very little. It's already very difficult to orchestrate fraud without detection. The ACLU put out a fact sheet with some more details on voter ID: https://www.aclu.org/other/oppose-voter-id-legislation-fact-sheet https://www.aclu.org/other/oppose-voter-id-legislation-fact-...
- lliamander 6y ago
  > Voting is a right, driving/flying/etc are not. Getting a driver's license is more about certifying your ability to drive than your identity. Bearing arms is also a right, and yet there are all sorts of restrictions on the exercise of that right.
  - craftinator 6y ago
    The defining characteristic of "Democracy" is that everyone gets to vote.
    - kangaroozach 6y ago
      In the case of voting it doesn’t matter the identity of the voter. It just matters that they are in fact eligible to vote in that district and are indeed only voting once. Without some form of ID or some one-time-use voucher that can only be obtained by eligible voters, how could anyone trust the veracity of the system? Honor system? Seems weak.

baumandm 6y ago

Many more eloquent words have been written on this topic if you want more depth, but here's are some quick highlights: - Voting is a right, driving/flying/etc are not. Getting a driver's license is more about certifying your ability to drive than your identity. - Signature requirements are tricky because they are very subjective. You're counting on the unbiased assessment of thousands of volunteers to determine if signatures match. That doesn't make it racist, but it's easy to imagine a poll worker intentionally or unintentionally disenfranchising valid voters. So the key question is, does it actually reduce voter fraud by more than the false negative rate? Everywhere I've lived, the voter rolls and the voting process are designed in such a way that adding a free voter ID to the process would change very little. It's already very difficult to orchestrate fraud without detection. The ACLU put out a fact sheet with some more details on voter ID: https://www.aclu.org/other/oppose-voter-id-legislation-fact-sheet https://www.aclu.org/other/oppose-voter-id-legislation-fact-...

lliamander 6y ago
> Voting is a right, driving/flying/etc are not. Getting a driver's license is more about certifying your ability to drive than your identity. Bearing arms is also a right, and yet there are all sorts of restrictions on the exercise of that right.
- craftinator 6y ago
  The defining characteristic of "Democracy" is that everyone gets to vote.
  - kangaroozach 6y ago
    In the case of voting it doesn’t matter the identity of the voter. It just matters that they are in fact eligible to vote in that district and are indeed only voting once. Without some form of ID or some one-time-use voucher that can only be obtained by eligible voters, how could anyone trust the veracity of the system? Honor system? Seems weak.