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Completely agree, same thing has led to massive growth of product mangers, product owners, and various other titles that do similar things. The devs still tend

by dpeck 6y ago

Completely agree, same thing has led to massive growth of product mangers, product owners, and various other titles that do similar things. The devs still tend to have to ask a lot of questions to get anywhere useful but in these situations the P* roles at least give them some traction to work from and get movement.

throwaway11121 6y ago
Frankly, since I've moved to the Netherlands, every project I worked in seemed to exist exclusively to justify a comfy, lazy job for incompetent Dutch POs, scrum masters,"customer journey experts", copywriters, designers. There is way too much money in this country and an incredible amount of bullshit jobs.
- ido 6y ago
  Moved from where? It doesn't sound any different that what you'd get in any western country.
- vinay_ys 6y ago
  Sounds like a big company problem. In most startups anywhere in the world, I would think they would be pressed for cash to just hire software engineers.
vinay_ys 6y ago
Junior engineers and PMs need the software to have a skeletal structure on which they can hang their features. This skeletal structure has to be put together by the lead engineer and lead PM. Usually I see both PMs and engineers churning with bad design when such a clarifying structure is missing or ill-defined or has become broken due to hard pivots in pursuit of business/product-market fit.