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The belief that Hillary won the popular vote overall is pretty widespread. But isn't that true and uncontroversial? Beliefs about Russian interference are also

The belief that Hillary won the popular vote overall is pretty widespread. But isn't that true and uncontroversial? Beliefs about Russian interference are also widespread, but they are also true/well documented and unconnected to the actual voting. There was no movement that I know of, like we see now, saying that the swing states that went to Trump had subverted elections. Once or twice recently I may have seen someone idly saying "hey, Republicans tend to project, I wonder if we should investigate the 2016 and 2020 elections to see if they were up to something". I ran across the claim that Republicans won in almost all of the states that don't have proper paper trails for voting, which could be suspicious. I don't know if that's accurate, and I don't know of any movement pursuing that.

jariel 6y ago
There was questioning and ambiguity over Clinton's loss, particularly because of the fact that polling showed Trump was going to lose. Donald Trump himself was surprised that he won. But it's not remotely on the same scale as we see now. There was 'smoke' with Russian relationships, and given the nature of a guy like Trump, a lot of people naturally believed the Mueller investigation would find him guilty of something. I did. The press was happy to castigate Trump for two full years over it - until it just started to show that he was in fact innocent - at least of having colluded with Russians. I hate Donald Trump, he's a psychopath who tried to overthrow the Republic in the end - but - he was actually treated unfairly during the Mueller investigation by the press as they banged 'Mueller + Collusion + Russia' over his head daily. It turns out there were some shenanigans there, but definitely not Trump & Co. working with Russian. The press never really cleared him from that. In a way - Trump's mass lies about the current election is just him taking the same story but pushing it right up to the line of legality. Unfortunately, he pushed it way too far, and directing election officials to overthrow valid election results is definitely sedition, and he'd be in jail were he to note have the status and political protections he has as President. He's done much worse than Watergate.
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jariel 6y ago

There was questioning and ambiguity over Clinton's loss, particularly because of the fact that polling showed Trump was going to lose. Donald Trump himself was surprised that he won. But it's not remotely on the same scale as we see now. There was 'smoke' with Russian relationships, and given the nature of a guy like Trump, a lot of people naturally believed the Mueller investigation would find him guilty of something. I did. The press was happy to castigate Trump for two full years over it - until it just started to show that he was in fact innocent - at least of having colluded with Russians. I hate Donald Trump, he's a psychopath who tried to overthrow the Republic in the end - but - he was actually treated unfairly during the Mueller investigation by the press as they banged 'Mueller + Collusion + Russia' over his head daily. It turns out there were some shenanigans there, but definitely not Trump & Co. working with Russian. The press never really cleared him from that. In a way - Trump's mass lies about the current election is just him taking the same story but pushing it right up to the line of legality. Unfortunately, he pushed it way too far, and directing election officials to overthrow valid election results is definitely sedition, and he'd be in jail were he to note have the status and political protections he has as President. He's done much worse than Watergate.

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