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I'm curious how uncensorable this really is. If there's no moderation and there are posts violating FOSTA/SESTA, I'm pretty sure someone is going to be having a

I'm curious how uncensorable this really is. If there's no moderation and there are posts violating FOSTA/SESTA, I'm pretty sure someone is going to be having a talk with their domain registrar at minimum. They're running on AWS (ask Parler how that's working out) and their contact is a gmail address, this seems like the opposite of uncensorable. Their github repo mentions "A host with good capacity and DDOS protection would be helpful to the project," which I'm assuming means it's also extremely vulnerable to DDOS.

hanselot 6y ago
That's true, as soon as a large enough group of people act offended by something, AWS and big tech are required to censor them, in case people get a bad case of the "WRONG" opinion.
leke 6y ago
As long as it is decentralised, the AWS thing shouldn't be a problem. It didn't seem to be for Diaspora.
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FreeTrade 6y ago
So member.cash is an instance of Member - it's there to make it easy to see how it all works. Member is open source, so you can host a mirror on your own infrastructure. You might make that mirror available publicly, or you might use it privately. Shutting down all the public instances would likely be a game of whack-a-mole. Similarly, its not dependent on AWS, or a gmail address. While a single website might be vulnerable to DDOS, the vision is many independent instances which will allow for great redundancy.
- mullingitover 6y ago
  So is this a federated thing like Mastodon, or is everyone operating a mirror running a copy of the whole site?
  - robjan 6y ago
    From what I understand the messages are stored in the Bitcoin Cash Blockchain
  - FreeTrade 6y ago
    It is not federated, each mirror uses its own Bitcoin Cash node which contains a complete record of all the actions on the blockchain.
- zaarn 6y ago
  Yes, but how would one go about removing posts that violate human decency? If I were to host an instance, I would want to not host any content illegal in my country (Child Porn for example). How do you go about preventing that?
  - feu 6y ago
    You can't prevent that, and that is the inherent flaw in Member and all similar platforms.
    - pjc50 6y ago
      That is the intent of these platforms.
- onion2k 6y ago
  Shutting down all the public instances would likely be a game of whack-a-mole. It is like playing whack-a-mole, but with a government mallet that's 5 miles in diameter.
  - sneak 6y ago
    You forgot the most important part: because it's pay to play, there will only ever be a half-dozen moles to whack if the project is successful, or one if it isn't. Source: I used to run steemit.com.
    - 3np 6y ago
      I'd LOVE to hear some stories/experiences/lessons/rants :) Maybe I could tip some steem, if i can locate my ancient wallet
helsinkiandrew 6y ago
As soon as this contains some illegal content - child pornography, violent/obscene content law enforcement will start going after anyone hosting a mirror and the ISPs/Hosting providers they are using, the whole thing will crumble like Napster.
- dcntrlized90 6y ago
  The Achilles heel of all these services In the US it’s illegal to provide communications equipment or service to terrorists Sure, support decentralized chat services where terrorists are moving to avoid Twitter Enjoy having the FBI come to your door if they find out you have nodes on those networks Trusting people you don’t verify is never a good idea. Building a protocol that verifies computers but not the user of the computer is insane Oh yes, nice math you got there. But who is really on the other end?
- nintendo1889 6y ago
  twitter and reddit are full of this
  - retpirato 6y ago
    Not to mention anti-Semitic tweets, & in the past Isis accounts, who were shutdown by a "3rd party".

hanselot 6y ago

That's true, as soon as a large enough group of people act offended by something, AWS and big tech are required to censor them, in case people get a bad case of the "WRONG" opinion.

leke 6y ago

As long as it is decentralised, the AWS thing shouldn't be a problem. It didn't seem to be for Diaspora.

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FreeTrade 6y ago

So member.cash is an instance of Member - it's there to make it easy to see how it all works. Member is open source, so you can host a mirror on your own infrastructure. You might make that mirror available publicly, or you might use it privately. Shutting down all the public instances would likely be a game of whack-a-mole. Similarly, its not dependent on AWS, or a gmail address. While a single website might be vulnerable to DDOS, the vision is many independent instances which will allow for great redundancy.

mullingitover 6y ago
So is this a federated thing like Mastodon, or is everyone operating a mirror running a copy of the whole site?
- robjan 6y ago
  From what I understand the messages are stored in the Bitcoin Cash Blockchain
- FreeTrade 6y ago
  It is not federated, each mirror uses its own Bitcoin Cash node which contains a complete record of all the actions on the blockchain.
zaarn 6y ago
Yes, but how would one go about removing posts that violate human decency? If I were to host an instance, I would want to not host any content illegal in my country (Child Porn for example). How do you go about preventing that?
- feu 6y ago
  You can't prevent that, and that is the inherent flaw in Member and all similar platforms.
  - pjc50 6y ago
    That is the intent of these platforms.
onion2k 6y ago
Shutting down all the public instances would likely be a game of whack-a-mole. It is like playing whack-a-mole, but with a government mallet that's 5 miles in diameter.
- sneak 6y ago
  You forgot the most important part: because it's pay to play, there will only ever be a half-dozen moles to whack if the project is successful, or one if it isn't. Source: I used to run steemit.com.
  - 3np 6y ago
    I'd LOVE to hear some stories/experiences/lessons/rants :) Maybe I could tip some steem, if i can locate my ancient wallet

helsinkiandrew 6y ago

As soon as this contains some illegal content - child pornography, violent/obscene content law enforcement will start going after anyone hosting a mirror and the ISPs/Hosting providers they are using, the whole thing will crumble like Napster.

dcntrlized90 6y ago
The Achilles heel of all these services In the US it’s illegal to provide communications equipment or service to terrorists Sure, support decentralized chat services where terrorists are moving to avoid Twitter Enjoy having the FBI come to your door if they find out you have nodes on those networks Trusting people you don’t verify is never a good idea. Building a protocol that verifies computers but not the user of the computer is insane Oh yes, nice math you got there. But who is really on the other end?
nintendo1889 6y ago
twitter and reddit are full of this
- retpirato 6y ago
  Not to mention anti-Semitic tweets, & in the past Isis accounts, who were shutdown by a "3rd party".